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Old 10-10-2004, 02:57 AM   #301
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as I've stated a couple of times before
I don't think it's all that important we get to see exact evidence
as has been pointed out the truth will be revealed at some point whether this is or isn't The Edge
when a person gets a status as official band member it won't just be because he sent an email stating "hi, I really am The Edge, thought you might like to know this"
as beli stated
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"For me, the dominant issue is how the policies of this site can permit management to afford a person official legitimate status without the necessary background checks, as appears to be the case. "
there must be some evidence somewhere
why no one has been able to even admit to this is worrying
it would mean no one has a clue and we were lead to believe (and the only reason we would believe this is because Interference itself worked along with all of this
as has been pointed out we wouldn't really believe that if Adam164 registered tomorrow that this really is Adam Clayton even if he/she would spend 97 hours claiming this) that this is really The Edge while no serious action to confirm this has been taken

as I've also stated before I don't blame any of the mods, admins, staff for not giving any answers in this thread since they know as much about this as any of us do
Sicy is an admin and has stated she knows nothing
Angela Harlem was an admin and it is sort of obvious that her interest in this topic wasn't met with a great deal of joy

so far we've learned in this thread is that apparently finally some action is being taken to sort this out
perhaps if this was some low profile forum with 49 members that would suffice, but for a site that aims to be the biggest and best U2 site around it is disappointing IMO
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Starsgoblue: the staff here continuously says they've got connections to the U2 organisation. Therefore, it should not be too hard emailing/writing/phoning (whatever form of contact was used later on - see next paragraph) them to confirm whether any/all band members have accounts on this site and whether any of the members is indeed posting - as has been claimed.
U2 organisation was very likely contacted to conduct the interview and verify The Edge's identity, and to set up the Ask Edge thing.

Salome: I thought the mods said they did all the checking.
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Ok...if that's so then how would they present the confirmation here in a manner that would be acceptable to all who question? You know what I mean? If the site here posted a letter purporting the authenticity of the interview, would you believe it? So how would that be done?
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U2g, we did. Well some of us did. Actually, I dont know what others did. I came to a different conclusion to certain others on here, hence my new fangled status.
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The truth is, it's damn hard to prove (short of a picture of The Edge holding a sign that says "Dear Interference, I am The Edge").

If it's not true, this site is promoting 2 false interviews, and someone taking however many thousand people for a ride claiming to be The Edge. This site IS the largest U2 fan community in the world. They (U2 and their people) DO know all about this site. You can bet a slapdown would occur pretty quickly once they are aware of any fraud going on here.

I can't believe that Elvis (or any other long term person involved here) would do such a thing. It puts the whole credibility and maybe even existence of this site on the line, and to even think that it would work for very long is absolutely crazy, all for no clear advantage.

The arguments for and against The Edge's legitimacy are pretty even, if only because neither side seems to know anything. I mean, U2 have always been fantastic to their fans, given loads of time, so it's not at all unbelievable that a band member would one day take 5 minutes to answer a few questions for such a large fan community. I mean, plenty here know how much time they give in person outside their studio etc.

And plenty of members of plenty of bands do post in similar fan forums, both official and unofficial. U2 members never have before, but that of course doesn't mean that they never would. Zootopia would have been the obvious choice, but it's gone (maybe for good), and Interference is a hundred times it's size anyway. The build up to an album release is also the obvious timing. An album which the band seem to be genuinely over the moon about. I mean, for which other albums did Bono take fans for a private listening drive in his car?

The case that has been made against - the spelling, the similarities to someone else's posts, the timing of his posts, content etc, is all pretty uncertain. My concern is in the checking and double checking when it comes to the authenticity. Like I said, I just can't see any logic that would explain why Elvis etc would pull such a stunt, so I can only believe that if it's fraud, Elvis has been taken for the same ride that we all have.

I'm in the 50/50 camp but I personally don't need to see The Edge holding up a sign declaring that he is The Edge. I'm happy to put my faith in the site, in the knowledge that if it's a fraud they'll get their arses kicked. Not only would the site lose many, many, many members, but there's a legal issue there as well. How long has 'The Edge' been on here? 2 weeks? Long enough for the posts/interviews to get attention from someone in the U2 camp for sure. I guess it's just a matter of time.

So that's where I stand. I've been posting on here for over 4 years (previously as TylerDurden) and I believe that this site is well above such a stunt. Like I said, time will tell. If there is continued interaction from U2 on this site with no negative reaction from official places then I believe. If it's fraud, Elvis at best will have a very large egg on his face, at worst it would destroy the site.

I'm happy to just give it a bit of time and see how it plays out without demanding anything.
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But if you or others truly believe that the administration has deliberatley done something like this then why do you or the other doubters still post here?
Honestly? There are other parts of this site that I enjoy - it's just unfortunate that they happen to be on a site run by admin that might choose to do something like this.

Plus I'm insanely curious. I want to know who and why. And not in the least I want to know what this matter is that Joel is "working to resolve".


And I'm a sucker for (non-literal) train wrecks.
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good post earnie. what are your thoughts on PM stating that Edge from the band has not been posting on any message boards? could they be mistaken?
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Hi! Yes, I spent a month up a mountain in Sri Lanka and found a new spiritual self. I could only manifest this new self through the name Earnie.

I didn't know about a statement from PM. When/where did that come from?
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Ok...if that's so then how would they present the confirmation here in a manner that would be acceptable to all who question? You know what I mean? If the site here posted a letter purporting the authenticity of the interview, would you believe it? So how would that be done?
Email letter from Principle Management would do, stating what I said before in this thread and in my last post. Posted here, or better yet, on U2.com. What else could possibly do?

Angela: is that why you quit as a mod, then?
What? PM said Edge is not posting on any site? Where?
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good post earnie. what are your thoughts on PM stating that Edge from the band has not been posting on any message boards? could they be mistaken?
It would be a compelling and damning piece of evidence, except you haven't given any specifics on this either.

Is this the vague reference made by atu2? or is it something concrete that you have seen/received yourself?
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did you fall in love with sri lankan tea? it has to be the nicest brew on the planet, i swear. i had a sri lankan friend who's drown me in that stuff. best tea ever!
it sounds spiritually enlightening though


as far as I know, PM were sent various requests asking for verification one way or the other and as of 2 days ago an email had been returned to a couple of different people stating a brief message that Edge was not posting on any online fan communities and the matter is being looked into further.
i dont know any more than that at this stage.
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i didnt see your reply rose, sorry.

the first time i heard of this, i'd heard a few people had emailed them. i heard through 3rd party on the first confirmation when an email was returned to one of the requestees. i swore to secrecy so would rather not say who it was. the next 2 times i heard the same thing, one of the messages was then posted on atu2, but the people i heard it off didnt say whether they'd prefer to remain anonymous, so i dont know if i can repeat it. which doesnt help you guys. i dont know PM's email and never asked myself. with these 3 people, i am really unsure if they all know each other or how valid the claims are. 3 statements came from 3 different people though.
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im postwhoring lol..
when i quit, it wasnt really about this, though it was part of it. i was just sick of the endless problems we had to deal with, many other things, no one in particular, not the fellow mods, not the members specifically. i spoke to elvis and we sorted it all out, i thought. but then a week later it seemed irrelevant as the choice was taken away from me and here we all are.
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If it's not true, this site is promoting 2 false interviews, and someone taking however many thousand people for a ride claiming to be The Edge. This site IS the largest U2 fan community in the world. They (U2 and their people) DO know all about this site. You can bet a slapdown would occur pretty quickly once they are aware of any fraud going on here.

I can't believe that Elvis (or any other long term person involved here) would do such a thing. It puts the whole credibility and maybe even existence of this site on the line, and to even think that it would work for very long is absolutely crazy, all for no clear advantage.
You have to remember a hoax similar to this happened in the past and was brushed under the rug. Intf is still thriving, so maybe it wasn't seen as a big risk credibility-wise? (Keep in mind non-members can't even see this page you're seeing right now. So the questions of the site's credibility are limited to only members as of now. Right there it shows you how these questions won't reach a lot of people and thus "credibility" could still go on.) Also- having "the edge" posting at a fan site really attracts a lot of attention, and new fans mean possibly new memberships, which mean more $$$. The advantages to this is pretty obvious.

As far as a "slapdown" occurring- no one really has the power to do that beside the site owner. Other people cannot come in here and make the site owner shut this down. I'm guessing legally it'd be pretty hard to prove who knew and who didn't, plus internet legalities are still in baby stages in the legal system since internet problems are fairly new.

All I know for sure is, if I declared at my site that The Edge was posting, I would damn well make sure it was the real Edge before I let myself and my visitors be duped.
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