There's no downplaying going on by me, sunshine. The stats, factors and variables I've discussed here can be applied to many other artists, not just U2.
Oh and thanks for the Henry Rollins comparison - I'm a fan of his. THAT made my day.
It sure is. Too bad they've sucked ass since 2000.
You seem to be forgetting that since U2 did not play New Zealand on PopMart, that also boosted U2's draw in Australia. Adelaide wasn't the only factor there...
Like I've already said, you ask too many questions (which I'm sick too death of). And I've already given you estimations. So, figure it out for yourself, genius...
Another perfect example of how you keep getting caught in your own logic. Forget that I and most of the other posters here and on UKMIX are able to poke holes in your "logic".
You write "HEAVILY strategically scheduling this tour (A NEW BUSINESS MODEL)"
so its a new business model! but wait then you write......
"I NEVER said strategic scheduling didn't exist before on a SMALLER SCALE. You keep ignoring that."
So now there are "scales" of strategic scheduling....LOL
Let me get this straight, the touring industry is was well aware of strategic scheduling on a "small scale" and in-turn what it could do to an artists gross (according to you it boosted U2 360 from your original prediction of $400 million in 100 shows to $660 million in 100 shows) but they never wanted to use it on a large scale because that would bring in too much money and they only decided to use it on a large scale with U2. You have truly out done yourself this time with your "logic".
Also, you keep eluding to the fact that I dont address your "rebuttals". The reason is simple in that you don't answer any of the lies that I have exposed but rather you pose different questions with different statements and try to "adjust" what you originally posted(i.e. lie about it).
You still haven't addressed the fact that your "opener" formula is based on Tour Gross*.9=headliner gross and you use that across the board. Not only does NOBODY in the industry acknowledge such a formula but are you telling me that Florence and the Machine bring in the same % of money that DMB or Pearl Jam would bring in?
The facts that I originally stated about all the records U2 holds for a tour are just that, FACTS. But since even you cant spin facts, you come back with garbage that they are only fact because blah, blah, blah and then you post "Fact: The Rolling Stones are STILL the largest active drawing band on the planet."
That is not a fact but an opinion, which you seem to always confuse the two.
One last thing, whenever me or another poster expose your lies and embarrassing logic, you typically respond with something about how ignorant we are about the touring industry or how we know nothing. Well let me clear the air, I never claimed to be an expert and nothing that I have ever written has stated that I can predict what an artist can gross, nor have most of the other posters, however you claim to know so much be you really don't. All of your initial "predictions" have been blow away and now all you do is make excuses for why you were wrong. I mean, I don't know anything about rocket ships either but I know enough that if rocket ship 1 goes 100 miles and rocket ship 2 goes 5,000 miles....rocket ship 2 went further!
So I just ask that you address one of my questions, since you keep avoiding it. Can you please post the dollar amount that was officially reported/released that each OPENING ACT grossed for each 360 show? We will all be waiting for your reply.
Awww, unable to expand upon your claims and theory's? Unable to put any meat on the bones of your claims and logic? I find that hard to believe from a person who is so insistent that they are correct and has formula's for proving everything with regards to concert demand.
Perhaps your resistence to answering this question is because you clearly understand that you are wrong here?
Tell you what, I'll strategically schedule a Bigger Bang Europe for the Stones using U2's 360 schedule. I'll give gross and attendance for each market visited following the U2 360 model
Here is the FIRST LEG scheduled like the first leg of U2 360, but with the Stones doing it in the summer of 2006:
ROLLING STONES "Strategically Scheduled" A Bigger Bang Tour Europe 1ST LEG
Barcelona GROSS: $15,420,000 ATTENDANCE: 128,500
Milan GROSS: $6,724,783 ATTENDANCE: 83,471
Paris GROSS: $8,830,795 ATTENDANCE: 90,057
Nice GROSS: $6,230,795 ATTENDANCE: 74,178
Berlin GROSS: $6,872,182 ATTENDANCE: 72,285
Amsterdam GROSS: $8,459,711 ATTENDANCE: 77,297
Dublin GROSS: $8,056,927 ATTENDANCE: 68,647
Gothenburg GROSS: $15,425,238 ATTENDANCE: 112,762
Gelsenkirchen GROSS: $7,031,025 ATTENDANCE: 64,938
Chorzow GROSS: $8,400,000 ATTENDANCE: 70,000
Zagreb GROSS: $12,700,784 ATTENDANCE: 124,102
London GROSS: $13,526,368 ATTENDANCE: 100,540
Glasgow GROSS: $4,022,000 ATTENDANCE: 31,495
Sheffield GROSS: $4,596,417 ATTENDANCE: 34,034
Cardiff GROSS: $5,534,100 ATTENDANCE: 48,988
TOTAL GROSS: $131,831,125
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 1,181,294
Actually, I think I may have been a little to generous with the Stones here, especially in Sweden and Croatia. Oh well, will just continue with the same formula for the 2nd leg and see what we get.
ROLLING STONES "Strategically Scheduled" A Bigger Bang Tour Europe 2ND LEG
Turin GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Frankfurt GROSS: $6,633,462 ATTENDANCE: 50,399
Hannover GROSS: $5,639,468 ATTENDANCE: 54,265
Horsens GROSS: $12,122,575 ATTENDANCE: 105,170
Helsinki GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Moscow GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Vienna GROSS: $5,732,158 ATTENDANCE: 58,998
Athens GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Istanbul GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Zurich GROSS: $9,975,799 ATTENDANCE: 83,188
Munich GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Paris GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Brussels GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
San Sebastian GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Seville GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Coimbra GROSS: $5,384,200 ATTENDANCE: 65,854
Rome GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
TOTAL GROSS: 110,148,995
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 1,031,399
Combined totals for the two legs strategically scheduled like U2 360 for the Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang:
TOTAL GROSS: 241,980,120
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 2,212,693
For comparison, here are U2's 360 stats and the REAL Stones A Bigger Bang Europe stats not scheduled like 360.
U2 360 TOTAL GROSS AND ATTENDANCE EUROPE:
GROSS: $319,846,811
ATTENDANCE: 3,072,006
THE ROLLING STONES BIGGER BANG TOTAL GROSS AND ATTENDANCE EUROPE:
GROSS: $216,094,492
ATTENDANCE: 1,983,994
So yes, Moggio is correct that the Stones could have improved their results if they had scheduled their Euro tour like U2, but not nearly by the amount which he claims. MOGGIO claims over $300 million, but the results show only a $25 million improvement in overall gross.
So the bottom line, despite the small improvement does not change. U2 RULES over the Stones when it comes to Europe!
