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Old 07-30-2012, 04:07 PM   #256
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I was rooting for Aly, but not in that way. Unfair, when did they make the rule that only two from each country go to the finals?
This is not a new rule, I have no idea why one of the commentators (Elfie?) said it was. Everyone knows this rule. It often *is* a big deal for many of the teams but hasn't come up for team USA until this quad/Olympics (more on that below). I'm not sure why Bela was blowing up about it since he knows as well as any one how this rule works. As far as I know, no one has ever made any move to get it changed. In his defense though, I have heard him rant about it before. He's always been against it but again, it's always been there and no one seems to really care enough to change it.

In 1992, Tatianna Gutsu struggled in prelims and did not qualify for AA finals. The head coach did what we in gymnastics now call the "Soviet swap". They made up some excuse about Rosa Galiyeva being injured and not being able to compete. No one believed it one bit. Since Gutsu qualified third place on the Soviet team (actually called the Unified Team then since the Soviet Union had already disbanded but were competing together), she got to compete in the AA final and won the Olympics. In 1996, Dominique Moceanu did *not* originally qualify for the AA final. Now if ever there was a female gymnast groomed for Olympic stardom it was "Domi". Kerri Strug beat her but was unable to compete because of the infamous ankle injury. In more recent years, this hasn't come up for team USA because 1) we've had only one or maybe two AA standouts anyway or 2) most recently, the new (shitty) format has made it possible for specialists to not only make an Olympic team but be given preference (ex, Annia Hatch, Alicia Sacramone, McKayla Maroney). Last Olympics, Shawn and Nastia were a given. I don't think any of our girls even did AA besides those two so it was never an issue for team USA.

So, my heart breaks for Jordyn but at the same time, this is why I was joking with my cousin that team USA is almost too good this time around. The media seems to be playing this like some sort of breaking scandal and it's not....saw it coming from a mile away and Aly herself has said that she has always been training as an all-around gymnast, not a specialist. You could see on Jordyn's face the entire meet that she knew she was dancing the thin line between her dreams and the chopping block and her coach reminded her repeatedly. Someone has to sit out the AA and unfortunately this time it happens to be the World Champion.

My other two cents thus far....Maroney is absofuckinglutely AMAZING on vault, it is sick. When those vaults were invented no one in the right mind ever imagined someone doing them like that. I was also anxious to see He Kexin again on bars since she was what like 12 years old at the last Olympics. But holy shit there is no one in the world that even comes close to the Chinese/Kexin on bars. Yes there were deductions and she's probably struggling a bit with her new body but the technique is untouchable.
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i'm 99% sure those are tongue-in-cheek. anyone who says "MURICA" is mocking our former unspeakable president.

i feel like Magnussen is careful with his words, or has been, and hasn't said anything too terrible, but i always had the sneaking suspicion he was kind of a prick.


I feel bad for the Aussie boys as the weight of expectation was enormous (and the subsequent hand wringing and what went wrong commentary all over the commercial stations is doing my head in (), but I am never sad to see a little bit of humble pie being eaten.

Mr Magnusson could take a lesson from the pure and utter joy of team mate Leisel Jones . . . albeit she has experience on her side but she really is just genuinely happy to have qualified for the team . . . it is the Olympics for crying out loud and to make a team and then go ahead and make the medal race is an enormous achievement. /endrant
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Still one of the best things ever.

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Mr Magnusson could take a lesson from the pure and utter joy of team mate Leisel Jones . . . albeit she has experience on her side but she really is just genuinely happy to have qualified for the team . . . it is the Olympics for crying out loud and to make a team and then go ahead and make the medal race is an enormous achievement. /endrant
To me, it's great but kind of strange to see Liesel Jones display so much class. First impressions count for shitloads and I've disliked her ever since the first time I saw her race back at the 2000 Olympics and she seemed so petulantly disappointed about coming second. Hard to feel sympathy for somebody getting "only" silver when it means that they're one of the top two people in the world in their event. Times have obviously changed, and good on her.
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Also, I'm absolutely thrilled about Mark Todd's performance so far in the three day event. He was a hero in New Zealand when I was little after his golds in 1984 and 1988, but his last medal was a bronze in 2000 when he "retired". He came back for Beijing, where he didn't win a medal, but now he's sitting a very close third after the dressage and cross-country, with showjumping to go. I think it'd just be amazing if he can finish with a medal - he's New Zealand's second oldest Olympian ever.

Apparently he's been mistaken for an official rather than an athlete by some of the Olympics staff.
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Part of why I love equestrian is 30 isn't considered over the hill. Love seeing Mark Todd up there after the 2nd day. I have a hard time watching the Cross Country portion of the eventing though because of all the falls.

I'm curious as to how NBC is going to cover Men's gymnastics tonight. There are a ton of storylines, US underperforms, China comes back, Team GB surprises and then the final scoring change. It was certainly not without drama.
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Part of why I love equestrian is 30 isn't considered over the hill. Love seeing Mark Todd up there after the 2nd day. I have a hard time watching the Cross Country portion of the eventing though because of all the falls.
I'm a terrible person - the falls make the highlights package more exciting.

And oh god, Aussie TV right now is showing some sob session of an interview with Emily Seebohm and her mother. This is painful. Oh NO, you are the second best person in the WORLD at your discipline. You've let everybody in Australia down by doing something better than the rest of the entire country, and doing it pretty bloody well on the world stage too. What a fucking calamity! Yes, sob your guts out, it must just SUCK to be you.
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I hate the falls mostly because I'm worried about the horse. The people have so much protection these days, but the poor horses have none.

This thread is making me realize NBC isn't the only network that do the same stupid interviews when our athletes don't win gold. I've actually been impressed at how well the swimmers have handled themselves in the horrific event they finish 2nd or 3rd.
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Oh come on. Yes it looks petulant, but the goal is to win gold. Sportspeople don't abide by "well, you tried your best and you had fun and that's all that matters". They spend four years training for this one moment. The winning time in the 100m back was slower than Seebohm swam in the heats and the semis. Of course she's devastated.
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To tie the game with a second left. Ridiculous.

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i am just watching this now on one of my cable channels

just saw that shot, now in 5 minute overtime, I know this is delayed, but one heck of a game.
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I hate the falls mostly because I'm worried about the horse. The people have so much protection these days, but the poor horses have none.

This thread is making me realize NBC isn't the only network that do the same stupid interviews when our athletes don't win gold. I've actually been impressed at how well the swimmers have handled themselves in the horrific event they finish 2nd or 3rd.
Yeah, I wouldn't exactly go out of my way to watch a fall where horse or rider is injured. But as long as both emerge unscathed, well, as long as it's not the horse/rider you're barracking for, it can be pretty entertaining and spectacular.

There are two non-commercial networks in Australia, Channels 7 and 9, who seem to make a priority out of stupid, vapid, moronic Olympic interviews of all types. It's horrendous television, and worse than anything I've seen in New Zealand or on broadcasts I've caught from the UK (never seen a US broadcast, but if your regular news is anything to go by ... yikes). By contrast, even when our non-commercial networks SBS and the ABC dabble in that sort of shit, it's vaguely watchable.

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Oh come on. Yes it looks petulant, but the goal is to win gold. Sportspeople don't abide by "well, you tried your best and you had fun and that's all that matters". They spend four years training for this one moment. The winning time in the 100m back was slower than Seebohm swam in the heats and the semis. Of course she's devastated.
No, it's fucking churlish.

I mean, if you feel like you didn't do your best, it's one thing to be gutted. But if you did your best and you're still crying over not getting the gold? You're a twat. Be proud of what you've done. Silver and bronze are pretty fucking impressive to anybody with half a sense of perspective.

(I can understand it a bit more in events that are adjudicated, if you genuinely think the judges made a bad call.)
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Just reading now about Damien Hooper, the Aussie boxer, who flouted regulations and wore a t-shirt depicting the Aboriginal flag into the ring today.

CHAMPION.

Hope he wins the gold.
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No, it's fucking churlish.

I mean, if you feel like you didn't do your best, it's one thing to be gutted. But if you did your best and you're still crying over not getting the gold? You're a twat. Be proud of what you've done. Silver and bronze are pretty fucking impressive to anybody with half a sense of perspective.

(I can understand it a bit more in events that are adjudicated, if you genuinely think the judges made a bad call.)
I can't agree. That's like telling St Kilda not to cry after losing the 2010 replay. "You made it to the grand final! You had a draw in the first one! That's a great achievement!" And it is, yeah, but you compete in high-level sport to win.
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Just reading now about Damien Hooper, the Aussie boxer, who flouted regulations and wore a t-shirt depicting the Aboriginal flag into the ring today.

CHAMPION.

Hope he wins the gold.
I hope he isn't made to apologise.
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