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Old 11-18-2011, 08:20 PM   #331
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I fucking love bobby valentine.

He took some mediocre met teams to the playoffs and to the world series. His act wears thin with professional players eventually, but that's because he actually holds them accountable for their actions, something that clearly had been lacking in boston.

He can be my manager any day.
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Not a good offseason for international players' safety. Greg Halman was murdered in the Netherlands last night.
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:31 PM   #334
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Glad Verlander got the MVP
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:32 PM   #335
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so Verlander is the MVP.Comfortable with that pick?I have a problem with it.

He was the MVP every 5 days....period...not for 6 months.

Should have gone to Jose Bautista.
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so Verlander is the MVP.Comfortable with that pick?I have a problem with it.

He was the MVP every 5 days....period...not for 6 months.

Should have gone to Jose Bautista.
So you're saying that pitchers shouldn't be eligible?
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Ha, Michael Young got one first place vote for MVP.
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    So you're saying that pitchers shouldn't be eligible?
Pitchers have the Cy young.The MVP should go to a everyday player.
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Pitchers have the Cy young.The MVP should go to a everyday player.

Well for what it's worth in terms of contribution to his role, a pitcher contributes 1/5th to his role on his team whereas a batter contributes 1/9th to his role.

Obviously it gets a little more complex than that with relief pitchers and defense and whatnot, but one can easily argue that a pitcher is more valuable to his team in residual runs than a batter is.
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A pitcher with 230+ IPs also faces a little over 900 batters. A leadoff batter will have roughly 700 PAs in a season. So I don't really buy the "not an everyday player argument".

That said, there's no way I'd give Verlander the MVP. Ellsbury and Bautista are much more deserving. In terms of advanced stats, Verlander wasn't even a clear-cut Cy Young winner. Greinke had a much better case a couple of years ago.
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so Verlander is the MVP.Comfortable with that pick?I have a problem with it.

He was the MVP every 5 days....period...not for 6 months.

Should have gone to Jose Bautista.
Are you the guy who just called into yahoo sports radio???
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Are you the guy who just called into yahoo sports radio???
Jesus christ,i just expressed an opinion that the MVP should go to a everyday player,not a blasphemy.

Thanks for your insightful analysis
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Pitchers have the Cy young.The MVP should go to a everyday player.
Hitters have the Hank Aaron Award and the Silver Slugger Award. Fielders have the Gold Glove. What's your point?
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Hitters have the Hank Aaron Award and the Silver Slugger Award. Fielders have the Gold Glove. What's your point?
Those awards that you are mentionning are specific categories in a every day player's game.The MVP is the all package overall.I just don't like the idea a player who's on the bench 130 some games per year being view as equal as a guy who's in the lineup potentially almost every game and being involve in most aspects of the game,offence defence,running,hitting,catching ect...

Lets put it this way ,a team could survive the lost of a pitcher for ,let say 2 months.Thats about 10 starts, which means 10 games.You lost your all star everyday guy for the same amount of time,your post season dreams are pretty much cooked.
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