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Old 08-16-2011, 03:55 PM   #46
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Nobody is ever going to conquer the world with a pansy name like "The Doves."
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:51 PM   #47
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if i could go back in history and change people's opinions (mostly in the marketing world), i would say that Doves are the next big band. that's in my alternate universe though.
Can I live there with you?
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Nobody is ever going to conquer the world with a pansy name like "The Doves."
Well that's fine, because their name is just 'Doves', no article.
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Old 08-16-2011, 07:14 PM   #49
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if i could go back in history and change people's opinions (mostly in the marketing world), i would say that Doves are the next big band. that's in my alternate universe though.
Not PJ Harvey?
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:47 PM   #50
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When I saw The Verve back on the Urban Hymns tour I thought they were destined for big things. Ashcroft really laid it all out there performance-wise, a near-religious experience. Not too British, not assholes like Oasis, or cheeseball like Cockplay, with sophisticated and direct songwriting.

A shame the guitarist is a basket case.
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not assholes like Oasis
Is Ashcroft not a legendary asshole?
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Is Ashcroft not a legendary asshole?
I think he cracked the shits and left the sage halfway through his set with his new band at Splendour last year, because the crowd wasn't big enough
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A shame the guitarist is a basket case.
By far and away the best thing about the Verve. Proof: A Storm In Heaven.

Ashcroft solo is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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He was talking about what personally held them back, not about musical ability. I like The Verve, but they were always another Britpop band, never seemed poised to take over the world. I was disappointed when they fell apart again before they could tour here for Forth.
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Oh, I knew what he meant. Just wanted an opening to rep Nick McCabe, who has to be one of my favorite guitarists.
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Ashcroft solo is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Incorrect, kind sir. Every Ashcroft solo album has at least 2 or 3 stellar tracks.... the rest are shit
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Oh, fair enough, he is definitely what initially drew me to their music. Aschroft has some playful vocals, but overall he does get under your skin when you watch him perform. You'd think after years of all his other endeavors coming up short he'd realize he's not the second coming.
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By far and away the best thing about the Verve. Proof: A Storm In Heaven.
The music on there is very cool, but from a songwriting perspective? Not very developed.

If you compare that to Pink Floyd's trajectory, Dark Side of the Moon may not be as musically adventurous as the earlier stuff, but that is one damn fine collection of songs. I think Urban Hymns could have been an all-timer, and for some people it is. Had McCabe not had a nervous breakdown in the middle of the tour, who knows? A Northern Soul is probably where you split the difference, but you know I'd take History and On My Own over anything from A Storm in Heaven.

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He was talking about what personally held them back, not about musical ability. I like The Verve, but they were always another Britpop band, never seemed poised to take over the world. I was disappointed when they fell apart again before they could tour here for Forth.
That's unfair. The point I was trying to make was that they were NOT like the other Britpop bands; in fact, I don't know how you could even classify them as that. Their songs are like the least British of any big band from that period. I love Blur, Supergrass, etc., but there was a provincial angle in the writing, singing, and/or the sound that prevented any of them from going totally global. With Oasis, Liam has that snarl of a vocal that's far from welcoming, more suited to a Rolling Stones ripoff band than one who wants to emulate the Beatles. And of course they were douchebags, which failed to break them here. No America, no international reign.

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Incorrect, kind sir. Every Ashcroft solo album has at least 2 or 3 stellar tracks.... the rest are shit
Thank you. And I'd say the first two albums have more than 2 or 3 good songs, but whatever.

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Oh, fair enough, he is definitely what initially drew me to their music. Aschroft has some playful vocals, but overall he does get under your skin when you watch him perform. You'd think after years of all his other endeavors coming up short he'd realize he's not the second coming.
I can't speak for how he's been post-Verve, but that's not the point. I saw them in 1997 at a small club in Boston, and the guy BROUGHT it. He was like a combination of Jagger (in terms of his physical display) and Boner (in terms of how he was going into a spiritual trance at times). They were easily capable of handling stadium-sized crowds here (something they surely did in Britian).
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I liked Love is Noise when it came out. A lot.
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:32 PM   #60
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Laz, I was stating how they came off to me personally, and while I'll agree with you they aren't provincial or twee in the slightest, I said that meaning in terms of the sound of their music they didn't stick out from the bunch drastically. I say all this as someone who was under 12 years old when they were in their prime. I am a fan, I just don't think they were one of the all-time greats.

On this topic, this has always been my favorite Verve track:

The Verve - Sonnet - YouTube
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