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Old 09-24-2016, 02:59 AM   #886
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So U2 is still U2. The wait continues.
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Someone openly admits they think Bono is U2...
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Some real gems from The Other Place tonight.

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Total low point. But completely expected.

Snippeting Yellow just shows how far from the zeitgeist they now are!

Elevation! Jesus.
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Without crapping all over their performance tonight... Desire was awesome. Bono lost his voice during Vertigo. He did give One and I Still Haven't Found.. some effort. And prior to them coming on they were interviewed,and Bono said the album was coming next year.. so that, there, was the final nail in the coffin of belief that anything new was going to be played tonight. At least they acknowledged SOI and did an ok performance of EBW given that that Bono's voice was shot after two songs. NLOTH was ignored as usual.


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And TBH, Bono's forced singing didn't sound as bad as some Joshua Tree shows when he was only 27.


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The performance was mediocre and uninspired, but I don't think it's worth running off a cliff over, en masse.

Perhaps it's because I went in with low expectations, but U2 fucking up their hits is nothing new whatsoever. It was an off night that they'll recover from. I hope the fans can do the same (and, believe me, they will) because it's really no big deal. There's no revealing lack of relevance to ascribe to the venue being half full or Bono forgetting the outro of Beautiful Day.

I watched at least half of the I+E tour either in person or through periscope. I've followed the news and heard the crappy song with Kygo that everyone was clamoring for. I've seen the band at their lowest (SOI release week IMO). This is just another day in the life of a band that should either hang it up or carry on making music they believe in and drastically reconsider the way they approach their promotion and release schedules.

It's not pretty right now, not for the fans and not for the band. But consider the stakes. They aren't the biggest band in the world and never will be again. The average twenty-something consumer comes to see Drake and goes home when U2 hits the stage. But...they're still the respected headliner. They still have the ear of the people if only through the legacy they crafted and I hope that they take advantage of that. It's a damn shame that they played a poor show tonight because there were probably some people on the fence at this show that came away unimpressed. There's a whole generation of new listeners that are being exposed to U2 at their worst because they are - creatively and performance-wise - freezing in the spotlight.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I think that, absent commercial expectations, U2 is still capable of putting out intriguing music. They certainly can still kill it onstage. Fans jumping ship now in light of the band's present (ill-advised) choices may, perhaps, miss out on an exciting late-career chapter for the band. But it's going to take a total paradigm shift in the way they approach the studio and their interactions with the public. As such, off nights like tonight don't really mean anything from U2's perspective. It's just another bump on a shitty road they picked.

Nonetheless, it does make me sad to see dejected, long-suffering fans throw their hands up in the air. I feel for them. I felt the same way they do now during the Vertigo era and that awful U218 period, but I stuck around and got some songs I loved in return. I think we all reach a point with our favorite bands where our expectations change and we accept the good while mostly tuning out the bad. Musicians are as flawed as the rest of us and while we joke about how unnervingly obsessive the posters in the Other Place are, they are fellow humans that simply have too many of their eggs in one basket.

Roll on, Dreamforce. Hopefully it's a lot better.
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Is the iheart musical festival even big deal? Outside of the 20,000 thousand that supposedly attended person do you think any large number of the population bothered to stream it or watch it live?


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Desire was genuinely great. Then the wheels fell off completely.

I still can't believe U2 are playing an event called Dreamforce.
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I would like to dedicate a song to U2's upcoming performance.

Dreamforce

Dreamforce: has the best artists living or dead
Dreamforce: it comes to you in your bed
With the future of cloud computing
Salesforce!

You know that memory is cheap
And hard data ain't nice
Give your soul to the cloud
That's my only advice

Dreamforce is tonight! Tonight!

My data is waiting for me
Pining for me
Every single file!
It thinks of me when I'm away
To the cloud I must pray

Dreamforce: has the best artists living or dead
Dreamforce: it comes to you in your bed
With the future of cloud computing
Salesforce!

We're not so secure
But that's the new wave
With a five second hack
You'll see how my hooker behaved

Last night! Last night!

My data is waiting for me
Weeping for me
Every single file!
It'll never let me down
All that porn inside my cloud

For our fest
We got the best
Artists won't leave us alone
Our innovations they impress
A generation easily sold
We have orange juice
And coffee cake
A soulless boardroom
Is where it takes place
We're Starbucks and Bank of America rolled into one

Once you learn our ways
You'll be here to stay
U2 plays tonight!
You'll see what cloud money can buy
White skin, crewcuts and ties

Dreamforce: has the best artists living or dead
Dreamforce: it comes to you in your bed
With the future of cloud computing
Salesforce!

Dreamforce Dreamforce Dreamforce
Dreamforce Dreamforce Dreamforce
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Is the iheart musical festival even big deal? Outside of the 20,000 thousand that supposedly attended person do you think any large number of the population bothered to stream it or watch it live?


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The performance was mediocre and uninspired, but I don't think it's worth running off a cliff over, en masse.

Perhaps it's because I went in with low expectations, but U2 fucking up their hits is nothing new whatsoever. It was an off night that they'll recover from. I hope the fans can do the same (and, believe me, they will) because it's really no big deal. There's no revealing lack of relevance to ascribe to the venue being half full or Bono forgetting the outro of Beautiful Day.

I watched at least half of the I+E tour either in person or through periscope. I've followed the news and heard the crappy song with Kygo that everyone was clamoring for. I've seen the band at their lowest (SOI release week IMO). This is just another day in the life of a band that should either hang it up or carry on making music they believe in and drastically reconsider the way they approach their promotion and release schedules.

It's not pretty right now, not for the fans and not for the band. But consider the stakes. They aren't the biggest band in the world and never will be again. The average twenty-something consumer comes to see Drake and goes home when U2 hits the stage. But...they're still the respected headliner. They still have the ear of the people if only through the legacy they crafted and I hope that they take advantage of that. It's a damn shame that they played a poor show tonight because there were probably some people on the fence at this show that came away unimpressed. There's a whole generation of new listeners that are being exposed to U2 at their worst because they are - creatively and performance-wise - freezing in the spotlight.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I think that, absent commercial expectations, U2 is still capable of putting out intriguing music. They certainly can still kill it onstage. Fans jumping ship now in light of the band's present (ill-advised) choices may, perhaps, miss out on an exciting late-career chapter for the band. But it's going to take a total paradigm shift in the way they approach the studio and their interactions with the public. As such, off nights like tonight don't really mean anything from U2's perspective. It's just another bump on a shitty road they picked.

Nonetheless, it does make me sad to see dejected, long-suffering fans throw their hands up in the air. I feel for them. I felt the same way they do now during the Vertigo era and that awful U218 period, but I stuck around and got some songs I loved in return. I think we all reach a point with our favorite bands where our expectations change and we accept the good while mostly tuning out the bad. Musicians are as flawed as the rest of us and while we joke about how unnervingly obsessive the posters in the Other Place are, they are fellow humans that simply have too many of their eggs in one basket.

Roll on, Dreamforce. Hopefully it's a lot better.
"Fans jumping ship now may miss out on an exciting late career chapter". I don't know how many of these people are actually going to ignore new music once it comes out. For me, I'm not interested in following every move of this band by checking in with this website on a daily basis. They don't deserve that level of obsession anymore IMO. You have some people here who haven't loved anything they've done for 15-20 years but they follow every update. That's not me. I've loved stuff up through the last album. But I can't reconcile their shitty work ethic with their implied desire to capture the ears of the youngsters by working with hot young producers. Stop globestotting and stay in the studio for more than two weeks at a time. It's ridiculous. You simply can't be vital if the process takes that long. They don't have any obligation to me as a fan on that level, but the hypocrisy/contradiction is so blatant it's amazing they can't see it, and that's what I can't stand to bear witness to. It's too much of a mental investment.

See you all in six months, or whatever.
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I would like to dedicate a song to U2's upcoming performance.

Dreamforce

Dreamforce: has the best artists living or dead
Dreamforce: it comes to you in your bed
With the future of cloud computing
Salesforce!

You know that memory is cheap
And hard data ain't nice
Give your soul to the cloud
That's my only advice

Dreamforce is tonight! Tonight!

My data is waiting for me
Pining for me
Every single file!
It thinks of me when I'm away
To the cloud I must pray

Dreamforce: has the best artists living or dead
Dreamforce: it comes to you in your bed
With the future of cloud computing
Salesforce!

We're not so secure
But that's the new wave
With a five second hack
You'll see how my hooker behaved

Last night! Last night!

My data is waiting for me
Weeping for me
Every single file!
It'll never let me down
All that porn inside my cloud

For our fest
We got the best
Artists won't leave us alone
Our innovations they impress
A generation easily sold
We have orange juice
And coffee cake
A soulless boardroom
Is where it takes place
We're Starbucks and Bank of America rolled into one

Once you learn our ways
You'll be here to stay
U2 plays tonight!
You'll see what cloud money can buy
White skin, crewcuts and ties

Dreamforce: has the best artists living or dead
Dreamforce: it comes to you in your bed
With the future of cloud computing
Salesforce!

Dreamforce Dreamforce Dreamforce
Dreamforce Dreamforce Dreamforce

Very good, like a salesforce into the night. It's up there with my own, unlamented 'Flat Tax Rant'.
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"Fans jumping ship now may miss out on an exciting late career chapter". I don't know how many of these people are actually going to ignore new music once it comes out. For me, I'm not interested in following every move of this band by checking in with this website on a daily basis. They don't deserve that level of obsession anymore IMO. You have some people here who haven't loved anything they've done for 15-20 years but they follow every update. That's not me. I've loved stuff up through the last album. But I can't reconcile their shitty work ethic with their implied desire to capture the ears of the youngsters by working with hot young producers. Stop globestotting and stay in the studio for more than two weeks at a time. It's ridiculous. You simply can't be vital if the process takes that long. They don't have any obligation to me as a fan on that level, but the hypocrisy/contradiction is so blatant it's amazing they can't see it, and that's what I can't stand to bear witness to. It's too much of a mental investment.

See you all in six months, or whatever.
I don't disagree with you on any of those points. Not one. I'm just choosing to react to the (lack of) revelations differently. It's not a burden for me to post here because I already expect so little from the band. This isn't the case for many posters here, so I understand the disappointment they must be feeling.

I remember when the 2006 Rick Rubin sessions led to a contract-fulfillment greatest hits comp that included a forgettable original and a crappy cover featuring Green Day. How's that for a punch in the gut? Or how about when the band released a brand new song for a Super Bowl commercial and decided to do absolutely nothing else for 8 months? U2 is terrific at disappointing their fans while still managing to keep them around just a little bit longer.

So, really, this is just another night for me. But we all have our own individual point of no return, I suppose.
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One huge reason I don't want U2 to pack it in is that I don't want Interference to fold up because I'd really miss the Cockforce. Seriously. I'd really miss you guys. Not joking here.


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He did give One and I Still Haven't Found.. some effort.
Is this how low the standard has become for them now, that giving the performance "some effort" is worth remarking upon?

I think Laz is right about their priorities being elsewhere. That they elect to spend 2/3 of their time fighting Malibu tax law or eating foie gras in Nice shows they don't overly care about new music or new ground.

The contrast with Nick Cave is instructive. Two artists of a similar age and experience level, yet over the last decade Cave has produced three excellent to brilliant albums with the Bad Seeds, two primal side band records, a host of film scores, and probably more stuff I am forgetting. He proves that it is possible to be an energetic, creative artistic force into one's 50s - U2 just doesn't want it.
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