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Old 09-09-2013, 02:44 AM   #31
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We have been doing this for, what, five years now? With the 160 minute length. There's been an undercurrent of wanting shorter lists for a little while now, and I'm all for trying something different. It seems that it's now a majority opinion, rather than the minority it once was.
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Then what should the time limit be. 80? 100? 120?

I won't participate in a regular 80 minute tournament. The range is too limited and it allows for less creativity in terms of pacing and genre selection. Anything I come up with would seem like a lame mixtape I threw together. The reason 80 was the limit for mini DIs in the past is that the lists were themed, but if you're opening up the entire world of music, it becomes impossible to make a really nice experience out of it. For a mini DI, you're narrowing the field enough to to make it work. The best lists we've had in standard DI cover a multitude of genres and I want to encourage that sort of variety.

People's ideas should dictate how much time they need. If they're feeling ambitious, allow them to stretch it out and run the risk of no one listening or caring. If they have a very narrow theme or small crop of songs to draw from and they feel they can say what they need to say in 80 minutes, that's fine too. It may very well work in their favor. But not all of us process music the same way.
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Maybe a lot of people are just getting older and busier with their jobs and life responsibilities.
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100 seems reasonable to me. But that's just me, I'm more of a "less is more" kind of a guy.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:21 AM   #35
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Then what should the time limit be. 80? 100? 120?

I won't participate in a regular 80 minute tournament. The range is too limited and it allows for less creativity in terms of pacing and genre selection. Anything I come up with would seem like a lame mixtape I threw together. The reason 80 was the limit for mini DIs in the past is that the lists were themed, but if you're opening up the entire world of music, it becomes impossible to make a really nice experience out of it. For a mini DI, you're narrowing the field enough to to make it work. The best lists we've had in standard DI cover a multitude of genres and I want to encourage that sort of variety.

People's ideas should dictate how much time they need. If they're feeling ambitious, allow them to stretch it out and run the risk of no one listening or caring. If they have a very narrow theme or small crop of songs to draw from and they feel they can say what they need to say in 80 minutes, that's fine too. It may very well work in their favor. But not all of us process music the same way.
80 minutes is a tight squeeze, no doubt. Agreed that it's too short for the purposes of this contest/tournament of dorks.

At this point, either keeping this current silent ranking system while shortening the list length (160 min. to 120 min. seems fair to me), protracting it back to the tourney set-up with the same submission standards, or cutting back the number of participants (which I'm not in favor for) are changes that warrant discussion. If someone contributes a list, whether its 80 or 160 min., it should be spotlighted as much as possible to invite discussion. I don't believe that this current format achieves that.
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I think it worked the very first time we did it, because we had the running diary thread. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it certainly turned into its own little chat thread pretty easily and I think the participation stayed pretty high throughout.

This time, and the last time, I dreaded my list not being in the first two groups, because I knew if it was in three or beyond, I'd only get feedback from a handful of people. So far, I've hard back from two.

But I'm just as guilty. I only gave feedback to the people in the first thread, because I'm just a jerk, I guess.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:10 PM   #37
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Then what should the time limit be. 80? 100? 120?

I won't participate in a regular 80 minute tournament. The range is too limited and it allows for less creativity in terms of pacing and genre selection. Anything I come up with would seem like a lame mixtape I threw together. The reason 80 was the limit for mini DIs in the past is that the lists were themed, but if you're opening up the entire world of music, it becomes impossible to make a really nice experience out of it. For a mini DI, you're narrowing the field enough to to make it work. The best lists we've had in standard DI cover a multitude of genres and I want to encourage that sort of variety.

People's ideas should dictate how much time they need. If they're feeling ambitious, allow them to stretch it out and run the risk of no one listening or caring. If they have a very narrow theme or small crop of songs to draw from and they feel they can say what they need to say in 80 minutes, that's fine too. It may very well work in their favor. But not all of us process music the same way.
I can see it from two perspectives. From the perspective of a list-maker, I agree that the longer time limit lends itself to more creativity and to more fully fleshing a concept out. However, from the perspective of a listener, I think a lot of people, including myself, feel that listening to 20 2-2.5 hour lists is just a bit much.

Logically, I feel like either the time limit needs to be shortened, or the number of contestants per contest needs to be lowered(to, like, 5-10). I feel like fewer participants would make ranking easier and less arbitrary as well.

As for ranking vs polling, I lean towards ranking. The reason is that I feel like these contests should be about discussion, and the polls make it more about winning and losing. I understand the argument that the polls were conducive to keeping conversation going as the competition goes on whereas ranking puts no pressure on anyone to participate, but I feel like that was more just because only 2 lists at a time were being posted rather than because of the polls themselves, and I would absolutely support lowering the number of lists that gets posted at a time.

So, I'm imagining something like, maybe a 120-minute time-limit, max, with, say, 5-10 participants, and maybe only one list at a time is posted, or two max. And then maybe we could say, if you compete in a DI, then you can't compete in the next two, or something like that, just so it's not the same ten people over and over again.

Those are my thoughts anyway.
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I get a folder full of a whole lot of nothing when I download LMP's list. Tried twice, it was empty both times. Huh?
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nielsgov was able to listen to it fine. If you have any more issues I'll do my best to take care of it.
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I have the same problem. I got nuts before listening a note.
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Oh shit, I forgot the rankings were due. I'll have mine in for the weekend if we're moving it back to then.
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I downloaded again from my link, unzipped and had no problems. If anyone else experiences this problem I will upload from another source.
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Hmm. I have no idea other than maybe it's a mac thing? I vaguely remember having an issue once before where I downloaded someone's playlist and the only thing that actually downloaded was an empty mac_osx folder inside the zipped file. Think it was phanan's several lists ago, yet the last couple have spawned two copies of each track when I go to unzip anything uploaded by someone who used a Mac. But I don't know why any of this, let alone if they're related.


I did discover two other things though: I did listen to more playlists so far than I thought I did. And too many of your usernames abbreviate to LM-something acronyms.
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Hmm. I have no idea other than maybe it's a mac thing? I vaguely remember having an issue once before where I downloaded someone's playlist and the only thing that actually downloaded was an empty mac_osx folder inside the zipped file. Think it was phanan's several lists ago, yet the last couple have spawned two copies of each track when I go to unzip anything uploaded by someone who used a Mac. But I don't know why any of this, let alone if they're related.

I did discover two other things though: I did listen to more playlists so far than I thought I did. And too many of your usernames abbreviate to LM-something acronyms.
I am using a Mac, though like you I don't know how it could be a culprit.

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Oh shit, I forgot the rankings were due. I'll have mine in for the weekend if we're moving it back to then.
Same here.

For some reason I was a week behind in when I thought it was done. I'm about to blitz through the rest of the lists. Man, it was probably a bad idea for me to participate if only because this has been the busiest summer of my life what with buying a house, going on an extended vacation, having lots of family in town, some of them staying with us for awhile, and my band working on its EP amid that. But I'll get this done by the end of the weekend for sure.
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