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Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
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Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
A person can develop quite a tolerance to narcotics, so what might incapacitate you or me wouldn't have as much effect on a hard core addict.
Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
Lennon was already a legend before he died and was enjoying commercial success via Double Fantasy. Not much of a career booster, given the context. Neither was it remotely voluntary.
I think I see what you are getting at here, but the phrasing is just deplorable. As though Lennon orchestrated his own shooting or Cobain chose crippling depression.
Lennon was already a legend before he died and was enjoying commercial success via Double Fantasy. Not much of a career booster, given the context. Neither was it remotely voluntary.
It's a famous phrase...it applies.
And if you know what is meant , you know it's not at all about choosing depression or orchestrating a murder. It's about the mythical hype for Nirvana/Cobain and Lennon after their death.
And Houston and Jackson's deaths, while sudden, were directly or indirectly the result of unhealthy living, and people already thought they were in bad shape. Also not the same.
Cobain was someone who was young, in his prime, and near the peak of his popularity when he died. He had a young child at home. And he seemed to be on the cusp of a major change in direction musically.
Really trumps the other examples.
Double Fantasy got a boost in sales/charts (given it came out three weeks before the shooting) and consequently negative reviews were withdrawn. Consider also the godlike status Lennon got in comparison to the other three Beatles since, or other 60's acts. It was a boost, absolutely. eta : this was a comeback album after a 5 year break, nothing more, nothing less. It only became more because of the events that followed the release. I would argue Lennon would not be seen as bigger than the other three (or, at the very least, not bigger than McCartney), if he'd still be around.
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Matter of fact, considering its said that both Houston and possibly Jackson were trying to turn a corner, actually trying to stay alive, some might consider their deaths more tragic than someone who takes their own life.
Plus, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that Lennon would have only damaged his discography after 1980. That's not a foregone conclusion. McCartney hit on some inspiration in the late 90s and has been riding it ever since. Lennon surely had more great material left in him.
In what way was MJ trying to turn a corner? Having a personal physician administer general anesthesia just so you can sleep is about as crazy as it gets.
Gabe and Laz arguing about MJ
Why would you try and stoke an argument needlessly? I'm not about to argue with Laz, I just don't buy that Cobains death is in any way more tragic than MJs or Houston's.
Goyb is a Vertigo rewrite.
Not to pick on the dead but I don't see Cobain the mentally disturbed drug addict as any better or worse an example or anyone who necessarily "trumps" the death of Whitney Houston the mentally disturbed drug addict or Michael Jackson the mentally disturbed drug addict. Cobain died just as much a result of unhealthy living as did Jackson and Houston. Matter of fact, considering its said that both Houston and possibly Jackson were trying to turn a corner, actually trying to stay alive, some might consider their deaths more tragic than someone who takes their own life. I dont personally put tragedies on a scale like that, but definitely do consider Whitney's death very tragic, given the physical circumstances that have been reported.
The big difference for me is that Houston and Jackson's music far overshadow anything Cobain did. I can only tolerate some of it. Never got really into it at all.
The deaths are all equally tragic, the major difference career wise is Cobain was cut down by Courtney in the prime of both his life and career. Not that Houston or Wacko were elderly, but both lived longer and their career peaks were far behind each of them. As Danny Boy stated, from a strictly career tragedy perspective, Kurt's death would have been akin to Jackson dying somewhere between 1985-1990.
In what way was MJ trying to turn a corner? Having a personal physician administer general anesthesia just so you can sleep is about as crazy as it gets.
The deaths are all equally tragic, the major difference career wise is Cobain was cut down by Courtney in the prime of both his life and career. Not that Houston or Wacko were elderly, but both lived longer and their career peaks were far behind each of them. As Danny Boy stated, from a strictly career tragedy perspective, Kurt's death would have been akin to Jackson dying somewhere between 1985-1990.
I'm trying to think of what would be a current day equivalent to Kurt Cobain's sudden death 20 years ago.
Double Fantasy got a boost in sales/charts (given it came out three weeks before the shooting) and consequently negative reviews were withdrawn. Consider also the godlike status Lennon got in comparison to the other three Beatles since, or other 60's acts. It was a boost, absolutely. eta : this was a comeback album after a 5 year break, nothing more, nothing less. It only became more because of the events that followed the release. I would argue Lennon would not be seen as bigger than the other three (or, at the very least, not bigger than McCartney), if he'd still be around.
Double Fantasy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia