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I hesitate to butt my nose in where it don't belong, but how soft was a polling surge that happened because an old washed up party leader was swapped a couple weeks in for a youngish dynamic looking party leader? Pretty soft, in all likelihood? Had Labour changed anything much else, on a fundamental level?

So maybe this is the victory before the victory, that you were talking about before. You know, the victory that the winner lives to regret.
 
I hesitate to butt my nose in where it don't belong, but how soft was a polling surge that happened because an old washed up party leader was swapped a couple weeks in for a youngish dynamic looking party leader? Pretty soft, in all likelihood? Had Labour changed anything much else, on a fundamental level?

So maybe this is the victory before the victory, that you were talking about before. You know, the victory that the winner lives to regret.

There was a Jacobin article about this a couple of days back that suggested the actual Labour platform hadn't changed significantly but that Ardern as leader had changed an awful lot. I do find her to be very likeable.

It's just so difficult to believe that a party presiding over a country's downward spiral (this would be accurate, no?) could still get reelected. Best case scenario this is a repeat of the UK election, but even I'm shocked that May's held up for 3 months.
 
Someone wanna wrap up this NZ news for me in a couple of sentences?

No party can form government in their own right, or with the aid of natural allies. Government will be formed by whoever is willing to accede to the demands of Winston Peters and his party New Zealand First, who are populists but lack a good Australian analogue.

To elaborate: National fall one seat short even with libertarian ACT on side, and once specials are counted they will probably be 2-3 seats short. Labour/Greens fall six seats short, and with specials might get closer. NZ First play the anti-immigrant card like One Nation or Lambie and they get the old racist vote but Winnie is Māori. He started out a National MP but left the party decades ago and has been a coalition partner with both National and Labour governments in the past, to the point he was Deputy PM under one deal. He will almost certainly get that role again no matter who he supports. He's more socially conservative than liberal, but it's very difficult to put a label on him because Winston really just looks out for Winston.

And to think that in 2011 Winnie's career looked over. He is the ultimate political survivor.

I hesitate to butt my nose in where it don't belong, but how soft was a polling surge that happened because an old washed up party leader was swapped a couple weeks in for a youngish dynamic looking party leader? Pretty soft, in all likelihood? Had Labour changed anything much else, on a fundamental level?

So maybe this is the victory before the victory, that you were talking about before. You know, the victory that the winner lives to regret.

The Labour vote has rebounded over 10%, so it's pretty impressive a recovery even if they don't form government - but the question does arise whether most of that was ultimately at the expense of the Greens. How many people came across from the other side of politics? It looks like very few left the Nats.

The problem two months ago wasn't so much the Labour platform, but that the previous leader was painfully unpopular with the general public and the party couldn't figure out how to market itself. Jacinda gave them likeability.

It's just so difficult to believe that a party presiding over a country's downward spiral (this would be accurate, no?) could still get reelected. Best case scenario this is a repeat of the UK election, but even I'm shocked that May's held up for 3 months.

Well the thing is that New Zealand doesn't see itself as in a downward spiral, at least not if you're Pākehā. The Key-English government has overseen economic growth after the GFC and many Pākehā New Zealanders feel they live in a stable, prosperous country and struggle to relate to the plight of the less fortunate. I could list off all the problems with that, but Labour can't really run on a "look how much these guys have fucked up" platform because the swing voters they need to pinch from the Nats by and large don't think the current mob have fucked up. Hence, Jacinda's "relentlessly positive" angle.
 
Also, I'm gutted that Mojo Mathers has missed out. She was New Zealand's first, and so far only, deaf MP. She got in at the 2011 election and has done so much on disability issues. But at the moment the Greens have only seven seats, and she's ninth on their list. They might pick up one more seat from specials, like they did in 2014 (and my vote for the Greens, as well as my mum's, are both in that group!), but it'd be unheard of for them to get a second.
 
I get that Fox is angry, but the arrogance of the Māori Party to think it alone can be a legitimate voice for Māori is poor and their failure to reflect on the consequences of working with National is telling. They may believe that working with the Nats has got better results for their constituents but they're not selling it very well - and it's a tough sell when Māori and Pasifika are disproportionately affected by poverty and housing stress, with those difficulties only becoming more pronounced in recent years. Māori voters have always leaned Labour and the Māori Party were foolish to think working with the government of Pākehā ignorance was going to win them much praise.

I will miss Marama Fox and Te Ururoa Flavell, but far bigger losses are Metiria Turei and Mojo Mathers.
 
Short or long haul?

I've never flown Virgin long-haul. Either is fine domestically. I always fly Qantas because I've got pretty good frequent flyer status.

Ian, no doubt, can give a more informed opinion.
 
Opinions associated with both short haul and long haul (as these are two different modes entirely!).

My case is already settled as per my own flying club, but I'm curious of general opinions. It seems as though Qantas and Virgin Australia are the main two Australian long hauls and the main two full service domestic carriers (unless you count air New Zealand).
 
When I was doing my long-haul travel earlier this year I had trouble deciding whether I preferred Qantas or Emirates (with whom I flew as a Qantas passenger). I only flew in A380s economy, and found Emirates perhaps slightly more comfortable, nicer bathrooms, and more generous with their alcohol. But Qantas had better food, no ads on their in-flight entertainment, snacks available to grab by yourself mid-flight (including Tim Tams), and taps to refill a water bottle.

I refuse to fly Jetstar or Tiger after too many bad experiences. Before I quit flying Jetstar in 2013, I had not taken a single flight with them that arrived less than half an hour late. I did actually fly with them once more in late 2014 out of necessity because I booked a bit late for Christmas/New Year's and the only halfway affordable flight to New Zealand was their Melbourne-Auckland red-eye, but my god what an awful flight, I'll never do it again.

And I think the only Air New Zealand flights I've made in the last decade or so have been very short hops in New Zealand. Those were fine, but I think most of their safety videos are fucking awful and I try to tune them out. And for a national carrier to charge for food and baggage is an insult.
 
hahah my friend, the general rule of thumb is, starting from the US and going eastward... the better the airline gets the more east you go.

Anything North American or European charges for food, if they even offer a proper meal vs snacks.

Virgin Australia, air New Zealand, and Qantas all have fantastic reputations and I won't be offended if they don't offer me food.

However I will say while North American long haul carriers are without a doubt some of the worst in the world, Europe at least (I can't speak for Asia and Australia) is really far behind the North American domestic products. We are used to free live tv and wifi optons on every flight.
 
And I did refuse to book jetstar and tiger.

Ill be on Virgin Australia (x5), Emirates, Air New Zealand (3x), and Singapore. This is because I'm a Virgin Atlantic flying club member and a JetBlue member (Emirates)... otherwise I would've tried Qantas.
 
Oh god I hated flying in America. Paying for baggage with practically everyone was infuriating. The various stupid tiers of boarding that just slowed down the whole procedure. The general lack of food. Yanks complain about the TSA but frankly I found security the least of my concerns.

I mainly travelled by train in Europe, one of life's little pleasures. I only flew within Europe three times this year: Norwegian Air from Copenhagen to Bergen and from Copenhagen to Zagreb, and Easyjet from Gatwick to Berlin. I knew what I was getting into and they were both fine. I was surprised on my first Norwegian Air flight that they did not provide water for free, but then one of my general complaints about everywhere that's not Australia or New Zealand is how hard can be to get water (e.g. at concerts, where it's the law here to provide free water, and I barely saw a single drinking fountain in airports).
 
Security doesn't bother me, not getting food on a 2 hour flight doesn't bother me, and baggage fees don't bother me (because no matter where I am in the world I travel light and only check a bag if it's absolutely necessary).

I typically travel my train in Europe but that's not always the most cost effective or even possible way. Anything with the Alps typically muddies things up (I say this having lived in Torino for a few months). Going east to west is typically expensive unless you're in Northern Europe. And obviously going to and from the U.K. is a waste of time unless you are in Northern Europe. And stuff like Ireland and Wales etc. are not easily accessible by train.

So sometimes you're left booking that Ryanair or flybe flight, or germanwings or Austrian or Lufthansa or whatever.

They're all so so so basic. They offer zero amenities. The only upside is that you can literally get away with €5 per hour of flight for a base ticket. Even after biting frills, your round trip cost might not exceed €40-50. EasyJet is awful. It, like Ryanair, charge for carry on luggage now.


Domestics in the US have been resurgent in quality in the last five years. JetBlue really started the quality status quo. Unlimited free drinks, snacks, free live tv on each seat, free satellite radio, free internet... all of the big 3 have followed suit with at least access to all of this in some form (that being AA, Delta, and United).
 
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I travelled with just a backpack to the US so I wouldn't have to worry about carrying anything too heavy or dropping it off / picking it up. The warm weather meant clothes could be really light, so that helped a lot.

Customs sometimes make it seem like you're suspicious for not having enough luggage, which was a bit annoying and off-putting.
 
Wouldn't really know how the EU is as I carry two EU passports, so its been a long time since I've ever had to do anything. Well, going in and out of France is a pain in terms of time (due to constant state of emergency, they have passport checks domestically).
 
Aussie security is pretty chill. Customs are fun. Can't remember when I last had to stand in the full queue to get out of the airport.

Last time I flew domestic in NZ I got searched after security because they saw something on my bag x-ray. After a quick search they found my flathead screwdriver I'd been looking for for ages.

They gave it back to me and I was on my way :lol:
 
It's my understanding that kiwis get the same security protocol in Australia that Canadians do in the US... getting treated like green card holders or citizens.

As for wait times... that's totally an airport thing, not a border thing. Airport traffic flow isn't determined by CBP. It's done by the airport, in compliance with CBP requirements. You bet your ass you'll wait forever at a shitty airport during a busy time, and walk through the door during a free time.

Look no further than London Stansted. Worst ran big airport in Europe I've ever been to, IMO.
 
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Security doesn't bother me, not getting food on a 2 hour flight doesn't bother me, and baggage fees don't bother me (because no matter where I am in the world I travel light and only check a bag if it's absolutely necessary).

I don't know how people travel without checking in a bag. Then again, it's partly because I've assumed certain things I that I always carry with me when I travel, even if just overnight, are prohibited from carry-on. I should check, because I might be wrong. I always take shampoo, conditioner, and moisturiser, all of which are over 100ml or whatever the limit is.

Domestics in the US have been resurgent in quality in the last five years. JetBlue really started the quality status quo. Unlimited free drinks, snacks, free live tv on each seat, free satellite radio, free internet... all of the big 3 have followed suit with at least access to all of this in some form (that being AA, Delta, and United).

I flew AA, Alaska, and Delta while I was in the States. I don't recall free live TV? There was at least one flight claiming to have free Internet but it didn't work - same happened on Norwegian Air in Europe. I'm yet to find a flight that actually delivers wifi that's both functional and free.

What annoyed me the most about paying for baggage was that I had to pay at the airport, not when I booked the ticket. That meant I had to pay an extra overseas transaction fee. Luckily my bank's o/s fees are pretty nominal.

US Customs is extra strength BS.

TSA become specialist wankers when they see you using a foreign passport as ID too.

I've entered the US four times. Twice I got dickheads and twice it was smooth as could be.

But I never had a single problem with TSA, and I was obviously using an Australian passport. Hell, the TSA staff at Albuquerque were some of the friendliest people I encountered. I suppose they were just delighted to see another face in that half-abandoned airport. Sorry, "sunport". :rolleyes:
 
I flew AA, Alaska, and Delta while I was in the States. I don't recall free live TV? There was at least one flight claiming to have free Internet but it didn't work - same happened on Norwegian Air in Europe. I'm yet to find a flight that actually delivers wifi that's both functional and free.


Can't speak for Alaska. Never been on them. For AA and Delta, they share very old fleets (as they just keep buying people out). The resurgence in the industry has to do with their refurbishment and replacement of their fleets. Live tv won't be on all of their flights, but if it's a 737-7/800 or some of the newer A320s, it probably has a tv on the seat now. With live stream.

When was this trip?

Also with the internet - I'm pretty sure delta and AA aren't free but cheap. They both use GoGo I think. I normally fly JetBlue, which is always free. If you're ever in the US, jetblue will have both for free that will always work. They're the ones who started that stuff. They've had it since inception in the early-mid 2000s, far ahead of the times. It was only recently that the major three started playing catch up.
 
So Virgin Australia was practically the same thing as Virgin Atlantic. Somehow I managed to sleep 9 hours on a 14.5 hour flight.

Also, coincidence to the prior discussion, Sydney Intl Airport's CBP is a mega shit show free for all at the moment [emoji23]
 
Can't speak for Alaska. Never been on them. For AA and Delta, they share very old fleets (as they just keep buying people out). The resurgence in the industry has to do with their refurbishment and replacement of their fleets. Live tv won't be on all of their flights, but if it's a 737-7/800 or some of the newer A320s, it probably has a tv on the seat now. With live stream.

When was this trip?

Also with the internet - I'm pretty sure delta and AA aren't free but cheap. They both use GoGo I think. I normally fly JetBlue, which is always free. If you're ever in the US, jetblue will have both for free that will always work. They're the ones who started that stuff. They've had it since inception in the early-mid 2000s, far ahead of the times. It was only recently that the major three started playing catch up.

My trips were in February and March this year. I recall there being TV screens on the seatbacks - AA had a truly awful safety video - but if they mentioned anything about live TV I've forgotten it! I like to read on flights anyway. I only use the in-flight entertainment on really long flights.

So Virgin Australia was practically the same thing as Virgin Atlantic. Somehow I managed to sleep 9 hours on a 14.5 hour flight.

Also, coincidence to the prior discussion, Sydney Intl Airport's CBP is a mega shit show free for all at the moment [emoji23]

Sydney airport had a major air traffic control outage on Monday so I assume they've still got a backlog from that. Ordinarily, customs at Melbourne has worse organisation than Sydney, though neither is done particularly well.

Now just hop on a train down to Wollongong and come say hi. :wink:
 
Agreed, I wouldn't use the entertainment system on short flights unless it's live sports that I would otherwise be watching. Example - on my way from Ft Lauderdale to LAX last night, I watched Monday night football!

I'm already out of Sydney for now. Caught a connecting flight to Adelaide. Now, after 25 hours of sitting and even more waiting in airports, gotta get my game face on because it's conference time [emoji23]
 
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