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Old 06-19-2016, 05:05 AM   #121
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This new Liberal Party ad with the "miner" is essentially 'yeah okay we might be a bit dodgy but stay with us because Shorten will take away your investment property'.
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Old 06-19-2016, 05:24 AM   #122
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Yeah ok, we might be a bit dodgy, but stick with us because we're going to sell off Medicare and you can pay for your own shit from that investment property.
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You think that's bad. Go check out the rhetoric on the Family First homepage, which I shred in my review. Guys, everything will be fine because Fundies First will enable you to go about a quiet life with a few simple pleasures like getting haircuts and buying takeaway pizza.

Never mind that if you're gay you'll have to stay in the closet or if you're a woman your reproductive freedoms will be circumscribed or anything like that.

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Maybe they're vanity exercises. Cause otherwise, yeah, why not just swing in behind the Greens and help elect their candidate? Maybe it's personal in some cases.
Oh yeah, I absolutely think some of these minor parties are vanity and nothing more. *cough*JamieMcIntyre*cough* I suspect with the Equality Party, somebody said "we need our own party for this cause!" and never really thought "what about the Greens?" until it was too late and they'd already got energised to run their own party and take charge.

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Did you know that Sir Joh's 'successor' in Barambah, Trevor Perrett, won as a Citizens Electoral Council member? He later defected to the Nats and was a short lived minister for primary industries under Borbidge until an unfortunate connection to a dead hooker made the news.
I do love the relatively mild origins of the CEC - and how the LaRouchians decided to take it over in the early nineties. I wonder what party they would hijack today if they didn't already have this one. Imagine if they were Smokers Rights or something.
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Old 06-19-2016, 06:01 AM   #124
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The La Rouche crowd are a tricky lot, they've been aligned at various points with both the extreme left and the extreme right. The one constant seems to be the British Royal family, who I'm left to conclude failed to respond to a fan letter from Lyndon La Rouche aged 8 and a half.
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That's as good an explanation as any. It's fucking weird.

It also means I share a mutual dislike with the CEC for royalty, but at least the motivations are so divergent as to make the coincidence meaningless.
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Old 06-19-2016, 06:06 AM   #126
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You think that's bad. Go check out the rhetoric on the Family First homepage, which I shred in my review. Guys, everything will be fine because Fundies First will enable you to go about a quiet life with a few simple pleasures like getting haircuts and buying takeaway pizza.

Perhaps their theme song should be Nick Cave's 'God Is In The House'.
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What I actually think happens with some of those vanity parties is maybe someone tried to get preselected for the Greens and failed, or has a problem with whoever did get preselection, for myriad other reasons.
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That's as good an explanation as any. It's fucking weird.

It also means I share a mutual dislike with the CEC for royalty, but at least the motivations are so divergent as to make the coincidence meaningless.
Also, like you, David Icke is relatively anti the British royal family, but for different (and mad) reasons yet again.
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What I actually think happens with some of those vanity parties is maybe someone tried to get preselected for the Greens and failed, or has a problem with whoever did get preselection, for myriad other reasons.
The Recreational Fishers Party down in Tassie seems to be an especially obvious case of this, with their founder a failed candidate for ALP preselection.

I'm currently wading through the policies of the Jacqui Lambie Network. In a way it's admirable how she emphasises her party's candidates will always put their state's interests first, as if the Senate is still the states' house it was envisaged to be. But it suggests her candidates would diverge over numerous issues, as what suits Victoria for let's say mineral tax would not suit WA. And of course it ignores the reality that the Senate hasn't been a states' house for a fucking long time, almost since its inception.

(Though I do enjoy people complaining that each state gets equal representation in the Senate. Funnily enough they're always people from NSW or Victoria. Uh, guys, if you haven't noticed, we already have a house with seats distributed according to population. It's the one where government is formed.)
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The Jacqui Lambie Network will likely end up the same way as the PUPs; chaos. I'm not even sure why it exists, except that she (like Lazarus) is there now, and she has to make a decent fist of it.
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Wouldn't it be simultaneously shit and kind of redundant if Pauline Hanson finally won a spot this time? Despite the woman's ubiquity it is going on twenty years since she held elected office. Speaking of serial pests; she even contested a Lockyer seat I know semi-well at the last state election. I don't think those decades have improved her, or the company she keeps.
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(Though I do enjoy people complaining that each state gets equal representation in the Senate. Funnily enough they're always people from NSW or Victoria. Uh, guys, if you haven't noticed, we already have a house with seats distributed according to population. It's the one where government is formed.)

Indeed. Our senate is really very like its US namesake in this regard. I think there's a place for that, and people who don't like it can get stuffed. It's obviously not any sort of pure 'states' house', but at the same time, I'm not sure how Tasmania (for one) would get listened to at all without that sort of clout.
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The Jacqui Lambie Network will likely end up the same way as the PUPs; chaos. I'm not even sure why it exists, except that she (like Lazarus) is there now, and she has to make a decent fist of it.
Pretty much.

I've spent far too long working on this JLN review, but by "working on" what I really mean is that she suggests Indigenous parliamentary seats along the lines of New Zealand's Maori seats, so I've gone down a New Zealand history wormhole. Because I definitely haven't done enough of that at work over the last six years.

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Wouldn't it be simultaneously shit and kind of redundant if Pauline Hanson finally won a spot this time? Despite the woman's ubiquity it is going on twenty years since she held elected office. I don't think those decades have improved her, or the company she keeps.
Her anti-Asian hysteria seems so ridiculous in hindsight (well it did at the time too, but you know what I mean), yet she doesn't seem to realise her segue into anti-Muslim hysteria will look equally ridiculous in twenty years' time.

I'm sure that in 2036 she'll be trying to get back into parliament on an anti-Cuban/anti-Uzbek/anti-Martian platform.
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Has any other person constantly tried so hard in Australian politics? She just doesn't give up, as if her loyal Facebook following of mouthbreathers give her the inspiration to keep on coming back.

I guess channel 7's insistence on asking her questions whenever something shit happens doesn't help, either.
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Indeed. Our senate is really very like its US namesake in this regard. I think there's a place for that, and people who don't like it can get stuffed. It's obviously not any sort of pure 'states' house', but at the same time, I'm not sure how Tasmania (for one) would get listened to at all without that sort of clout.
Yep. It's an interesting one though, because the Senate functions now - and has for decades - as a parties' house. Wouldn't it be more honest to elect it proportionally, like the New Zealand and some European parliaments? If your party gets 8% of the national vote, you get 8% of the seats.

But of course that raises the question of where that leaves the small states. It removes even the theoretical possibility that their elected members could combine to defend their interests.
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