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Old 09-25-2016, 11:17 PM   #661
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Seriously, the only thing a Fairfax broadsheet from thirty years ago and from today have in common is their logo and Ross Gittins.
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Old 09-25-2016, 11:27 PM   #662
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I wasn't meaning to make a comparison there, just a lament for the Age. I still check it frequently every day... but to be honest I only do that when I'm in Melbourne, for local news. Just five years ago I would still pop onto the Age's website in the morning when I was travelling, both to check in on what was happening in Melbourne and for their reporting more broadly. Last time I was out of the country I don't recall even checking it.
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Old 09-26-2016, 12:11 AM   #663
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I think the last time I even looked at it was probably a link one of you posted in this thread.
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Online content on The Age has deteriorated quite dramatically in the past 12 months or so. The home page is saturated in blatant clickbait (I now hover over the articles to get better detail about what the link contains), and the headlines are dominated by lifestyle (relationships), housing and television show recap stories.

The look and feel of the online Age website has probably kept me quite loyal over the years, although the past 3-4 months or so I've started to use ABC News as my main website for news. Reliable and trustworthy enough,




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Old 09-26-2016, 10:53 AM   #665
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If Interference ever decides to engage the services of "Outbrain" to tell us what's what around the interwebs, I'm gone.
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Fuck, what am I saying. For all I know U2 owe Outbrain a private concert for some horrific favour or other.
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the headlines are dominated by lifestyle (relationships), housing and television show recap stories.
The TV show recaps I just don't get. If you're interested enough in the show to click the link, wouldn't you, well, have watched the fucker already? It's not as if Masterchef has such a convoluted plotline that a summary afterwards may be handy.

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Fuck, what am I saying. For all I know U2 owe Outbrain a private concert for some horrific favour or other.
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I'm reluctant to go into FYM to say this, but was I the only absolutely sickened by the fawning over that photo of Michelle Obama hugging Dubya?

Fuck, and you can see all these people sighing 'oh, Dubya wasn't so bad ...'

Horrifying.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:37 PM   #669
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Dubya has already been partly rehabilitated, in a variety of ways. The Bushes collectively coming out against Trump this year probably didn't hurt either.

The man belongs in prison.
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Agreed.

You could make a good argument for each and every living US president belonging in a prison, to be honest. Especially if you use the criteria the US applies to certain enemies.
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That's not untrue as far as it goes, but at this point, I think the 2003 invasion - and dismantling - of Iraq in particular is rapidly shaping up as the crime of the century, a real Sarajevo moment.

I sense it's already been largely forgotten in some quarters, there's this sort of blank incomprehension as to why 'those people' are the way they are, and not nice People Like Us. Their whole fucking world is in flames. Knock away every strut underpinning civil society in America, bomb it to hell, and see how well the voices of democracy and reason do there, is what I'd say.
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Undermine even vaguely progressive forces in the region over decades, eventually weaken them to the point of irrelevance, then complain about the rampant conservatism/reaction that fills the void.
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Well yeah, it's a 'be careful what you wish for' situation. Back when socialism, or socialist-flavoured national-development pan Arabism, or Soviet-alignment was the big bogey, it was two legs good, four legs bad. Now it's wahabbist inspired Islam (Saudi Arabia remains America's great friend and ally for some unaccountable reason), again, two legs good, four legs bad, just in a different way.
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On a more prosaic note, man am I done with this winter. Yes, winter. Now, don't mistake me, weather is not climate and I know that full well, but anyhow, here in Toowoomba, at the end of September, hardly a day has yet topped 20 degrees. It's 19 right now. It's nearly October and I'm still cold all the time.

Not to mention that dry air, then swinging wildly back to damp and humid, then right back to dry again, three or four times in a week, is absolutely murder on my skin. I can hardly go out in public.
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On a more prosaic note, man am I done with this winter. Yes, winter. Now, don't mistake me, weather is not climate and I know that full well, but anyhow, here in Toowoomba, at the end of September, hardly a day has yet topped 20 degrees. It's 19 right now. It's nearly October and I'm still cold all the time.
Bloody hell you Queenslanders. If it were that warm I'd be complaining endlessly. I'm annoyed it's now getting warm enough that we rarely have days below 14-15. On the other hand, I'm glad it's not now 1-2 degrees when I go for my morning run.

On the political topics:
- What I find interesting is the divergent trajectories of the Middle East and Latin America despite the US pursuing similar goals during the Cold War in dismantling left-wing/progressive forces that were feared to favour the Soviets (or just wouldn't play ball on the US's terms). I don't know nearly as much about Latin America as I should, so I can't speculate on why the results today are so different, but I think it's worth noting. And perhaps New Zealand should consider itself lucky that the US didn't try to intervene during the first year of the Lange government!
- It's genuinely scary that Trump makes us think Dubya wasn't that bad, or that Abbott does the same to Howard, or whatever. I have an older colleague who is furious that Malcolm Fraser in the years preceding his death was somewhat adopted by the left - I've lost count of how many times I've heard from her some variation of "I was an undergrad when he came to power! He was terrible!" It goes to show just how alarmingly there has been a drift to the right and how much the goalposts have shifted in terms of what is an acceptable part of mainstream political debate.
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