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Old 10-18-2008, 09:29 PM   #1
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Why Do We Die?

The Smoker's Club, Inc. Encyclopedia 3
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Old 10-18-2008, 09:36 PM   #2
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If you're a smoker, I can pretty much guess how you're going to die, statistically.

Slowly and painfully.

But hey...whatever floats your boat.
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Old 10-18-2008, 09:43 PM   #3
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If you're a smoker, I can pretty much guess how you're going to die, statistically.

Slowly and painfully.

But hey...whatever floats your boat.

If you're human, I can pretty much guess how you're going to die, statistically.

Nothing floats our boats in this material world.
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Old 10-18-2008, 11:05 PM   #4
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Nothing floats our boats in this material world.
And we are to believe that nihilism is restricted to unbelievers?
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:24 AM   #5
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Interesting. Good points all around. Most here, unfortunatley, will think of it as some kind of smokers conspiracy and will therefore dismiss it alltogether.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:26 AM   #6
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Interesting. Good points all around. Most here, unfortunatley, will think of it as some kind of smokers conspiracy and will therefore dismiss it alltogether.
"Smokers' conspiracy"? Ridiculous.

You know, I have to think that it is perhaps a bit of a personality trait with smokers, but I know there's this tendency to be a bit of a risk taker and to thumb one's nose at death, saying "it'll happen to all of us." At the same time, I've seen more than one smoker, who, once they actually realize that they have lung cancer or emphysema, suddenly wish they had never started in the first place.

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"Half a year ago my wife died, technically from an infection, but manifestly, at least in part, from a body weakened by 60 years of nonstop smoking. I stayed off the cigarettes but went to the idiocy of cigars inhaled, and suffer now from emphysema, which seems determined to outpace heart disease as a human killer. Stick me in a confessional and ask the question: Sir, if you had the authority, would you forbid smoking in America? You'd get a solemn and contrite, Yes." - William F. Buckley, December 3, 2007
Famous Hollywood screenwriter, Joe Eszterhas, has also become a fervent anti-smoking crusader after getting throat cancer and having 80% of his larynx removed.

Unfortunately, if this is a personality trait, then there's not much I can do or say, short of saying that the best way of avoiding these kinds of fates in the first place is to stop smoking altogether and the earlier the better.
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Old 10-19-2008, 01:03 PM   #8
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Sometimes, whether I'm driving along a crowded highway, walking down a busy street or in that packed airliner, I ask myself, "Is this it?...is this the group that's leaving? has God packed the Chosen Ones to go at one time and is this the time?"

My BIGGEST worry in life is that I won't have time to tell anyone how much I love them; so I do that every morning and night.
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Old 10-19-2008, 02:26 PM   #9
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Interesting. Good points all around. Most here, unfortunatley, will think of it as some kind of smokers conspiracy and will therefore dismiss it alltogether.
Wow, just when I think it can't get any more ridiculous in here, it does...

I never understood the backwards logic of these types websites. I guess it's just to make one feel better.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:51 AM   #10
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So if I understand this correctly the smoker's approach is "Hey maybe I'll get lucky and not get cancer?" I mean, cause they might not, right?

If someone wants to smoke, I don't begrudge them that. I really don't. I do find myself getting a little aggravated though when people smoke in public and my newborn son is around. I don't mind them taking the gamble for themselves but I don't want them making that choice for my kid.
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Smoking can be very bad for the smoker as well as the people around, espeically kids.
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Smoking can be very bad for the smoker as well as the people around, espeically kids.
That's hard to argue but why is it that myself and almost ALL of my friends constantly grew up with both parents smoking, which meant TONS of second hand smoke - in the house, in the car, in restaurants, cafe's, libraries and YES hospitals - and hardly anyone back then had asthma??? Is it maybe because with all that smoke it somehow built up our immune systems??? You've got to wonder at least don't you? Obviously it's better that kids are not exposed to that amount of smoke BUT I do not think it's as bad as people think. Again, why is it that hardly anyone I knew back then had asthma?? And now it's running rampant?
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Old 10-20-2008, 03:26 AM   #13
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Maybe because your knowledge of asthma, the various ways how people contract the disease, the various forms and extents it can have and many more things about this disease are very limited?
One can contract asthma due to thousands of reasons. There is allergic asthma and non-allergic asthma. There are other respiratory diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). And to this day many people run around feeling perfectly fine while in fact suffering from asthma. But the symptoms are hard to interpret at times, and not always does someone blame asthma for their low condition. My doctor for example said, many people in their late 40s, early 50s think being exhausted when hitting the third floor is just due to their age or their lazyiness when in fact it might well be that they have asthma.
That disease being more researched now, made public more and doctors being sensibilised helps a lot to spread awareness, but also might leave the impression that it is much more widespread than before.
But smoking is only a small contributor to asthma, and especially second hand smoke, while of course being harmful and a trigger, doesn't account for the bulk of cases of asthma. For example, as became especially blatant after the fall of the Berlin Wall, hygiene is a huge contributor to allergic diseases such as allergic asthma, hay fever or dermitis.
More than 90 percent of all people suffering from COPD do so because of years of smoking. Another few percent due to other reasons, and about three percent from second-hand smoke. About 5,000 Americans die from COPD every year.

Why do so many people smoke and don't feel affected for decades? Simply because the lung is such a huge organ that it can (note: can) take so long until the tar and all the other dirt has destroyed enough to make the person feel the consequences. Doesn't make the whole thing better.
Not every smoker contracts cancer, but the chance is greatly increased. Same for second-hand smoke, though to a lesser extent.

So, there might be an increase in the prevalence of asthma, due to a multitude of factors, but there is also the effect of more people being diagnosed due to various reasons. That can be compared to a simple statistical phenomenon: With an increase in police forces being deployed to one region suddenly the crime rate increases. One might draw the simple conclusion that more police=more crime. But in fact that is, of course, illogic. Logical conclusion: More police just means more crimes are being recognised as such, for example because the police is running through town more and thus seeing more of what's going on. The actual crime rate might stay the same, but the estimated number of unknown crimes decrease; more light sheds into the dark.

What I get from iron horse's reocurring threads on that issue is the attempt at making smoking seem unrisky, or the risk irrelevant. It might be irrelevant for him, or for you, but it is not for many others.
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Old 10-20-2008, 03:42 AM   #14
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here's the deal on smoking guys. Probably not a wonderful habit, but provided one is discreet about it and doesn't blow it in everyone else's face, so to speak, I think that's that (to quote Adam Sandler in 'Punch Drunk Love'.)

My interest in the topic is rather overshadowed by the looming economic meltdown or whatever.
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:45 PM   #15
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Interesting. Good points all around. Most here, unfortunatley, will think of it as some kind of smokers conspiracy and will therefore dismiss it alltogether.


Thank you for your for your insight Harry Vest.
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