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Originally posted by sue4u2
It's a physiological condition-if men had a parallel one I would imagine the same concessions would be made to them.

A little off subject, but I was just thinking about what the name of the sporting event would have been called if men had to do the breast feeding when a child was born.. :wink:
Or how elaborate the breast feeding rooms would be where a man could take the baby on their numerous breast feeding breaks.
Not man bashing, please don't think that but I could see a competiton or two springing up.

Don't mind me, I'm on drugs.
(Wisdom teeth removal - there went my wisdom heehee)

I don't think that's off subject at all, it really gets to the crux of the matter when you boil it all down regarding attitudes about breast feeding-including this case. Obviously when I was quoting about a "boob getting sucked" I was referring to another post about breastfeeding, which was being confused with something sexual and out of Playboy when it is not (and that's when certain attitudes about it come into play). Unless you're talking about someone with some strange, offbeat turnons..
 
I don't know why people are uncomfortable with seeing women breastfeeding. I will admit there was one time when I thought, hmmm, she should have gone elsewhere. It was in a relatively small seminar classroom in undergrad. The Mom was a "mature" student (well mature compared to us, I think she was in her early 30s), and she started breastfeeding in the middle of the lecture. We sat around in a U shape around the professor and he felt very uncomfortable, and she was just making a lot of noise with moving her chair around and the baby was cranky and so on. To me, in that situation, she should have gone out of the class in order not to disrupt the lecture, but I guess she didn't want to miss 40 minutes of it or whatever. :shrug:

(She only brought the baby with her maybe 3 times over the course of a term...I guess when she couldn't find a baby sitter)
 
Butterscotch said:


Me too, of course it's natural, but it's not okay to be seen in public, other womens' husbands, little kids, old people, etc. I don't see a problem with covering up with a towel, if you MUST do it in public and not at home, and not use a pump and bottle. If it was raining, or cold, or if the sun was in the baby's eyes, you'd cover his head up just walking down the street, so why is it 'tramatizing' to cover up while he's nursing? The baby sucks with its eyes closed anyway. I think covering is a good compromise.

I think you misunderstood me....but....my kids did not nurse with their eyes closed all the itme.
 
Those of you who don't understand why people might be uncomfortable with breastfeeding - unfortunately, womens' breasts have been sexualized to a large degree - because they are, like it or no, an erogenous zone. Their other function, breastfeeding, has been ignored for decades. Therefore, there are people out there who will think of the sexual function first and the breastfeeding function last, if at all. Admittedly, I have a twinge of discomfort at it, but I don't have to sit there and stare at the woman breastfeeding, now do I? I think, in general, Americans cam be much too nosy. Look somewhere else if it bothers you and let her feed her kid. A well fed kid is a quiet kid!

This woman in particular - she ought to damn well wait a year until her child is weaned before trying to take this test. She's being ridiculous.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:


I was referring to another post about breastfeeding, which was being confused with something sexual and out of Playboy when it is not (and that's when certain attitudes about it come into play). Unless you're talking about someone with some strange, offbeat turnons..
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I have never seen a lactating shot in Playboy. What isue please?:ohmy:
 
Dreadsox said:
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I have never seen a lactating shot in Playboy. What isue please?:ohmy:

I think she meant some people have a tough time thinking of breasts as anything except sexual -- ie, "those things that are only seen in Playboy" etc. -- not that Playboy has done photo soots of lactating women.

Of course if there is enough interest.... :wink:
 
indra said:


I think she meant some people have a tough time thinking of breasts as anything except sexual -- ie, "those things that are only seen in Playboy" etc.

If it's wrong for a kid to look at a Playboy, if a woman doesn't want her hubby looking at other women's boobs, I can't understand why it's okay to see one in public if a baby is sucking it. If it's illegal for a girl or woman to expose to much of her breasts while in public, it shouldn't be okay in any form. I am all for breastfeeding, I just think it needs to be done discreetly if it must be done in public. Hinder makes a good point there.

-- not that Playboy has done photo soots of lactating women.

Of course if there is enough interest.... :wink:

Oh people are so kinky, there's a porn site for everything. I have heard of porn sites featuring pregnant women, I'm sure some must have breastfeeding. Unfortunately, I know for a fact some men do think of it sexually, since I once dated a guy who wanted to 'nurse'. :reject: Just best for everyone to cover up.
 
i REALLY don't get that you can't understand a differnece between a woman getting her boobs out for a wet t-shirt competition, and a woman breastfeeding her baby. YOU put the idea of sexual conotations on it, not her.
Most breastfeeding woman don't have the baby swinging from the nipple as they shop, and if you see a little bit of boob or flesh well you're the fucking saddo who cant look at that without getting hot under the collar.

I'm sorry but this issue pisses me off beyond belief. America has one of the most obscene sexual society, and its warping many many minds. Sad really.
 
dazzlingamy said:
i REALLY don't get that you can't understand a differnece between a woman getting her boobs out for a wet t-shirt competition, and a woman breastfeeding her baby. YOU put the idea of sexual conotations on it, not her.
Most breastfeeding woman don't have the baby swinging from the nipple as they shop, and if you see a little bit of boob or flesh well you're the fucking saddo who cant look at that without getting hot under the collar.

I'm sorry but this issue pisses me off beyond belief. America has one of the most obscene sexual society, and its warping many many minds. Sad really.

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Butterscotch said:


If it's wrong for a kid to look at a Playboy, if a woman doesn't want her hubby looking at other women's boobs, I can't understand why it's okay to see one in public if a baby is sucking it. If it's illegal for a girl or woman to expose to much of her breasts while in public, it shouldn't be okay in any form. I am all for breastfeeding, I just think it needs to be done discreetly if it must be done in public. Hinder makes a good point there.

Amazing how the rest of he world can still function when a woman's boob is exposed. Having been to Europe, it makes me laugh that in the Olympic Statium in Munich, women were allowed to sunbath topless, and society did not come tumbling down.

If my wife did not want me looking at boobs? There is along list of things wives don't want their husband to do. Somehow marriages still work it out.



[Q]Oh people are so kinky, there's a porn site for everything. I have heard of porn sites featuring pregnant women, I'm sure some must have breastfeeding. Unfortunately, I know for a fact some men do think of it sexually, since I once dated a guy who wanted to 'nurse'. :reject: Just best for everyone to cover up. [/Q]

So, should women who are breast feeding not have sex with their husbands? There is a chance that something may happen in the throws of passion that might turn sexual in the area of the breast. My wife, God bless her, while she was pregnant, was the horniest woman I have EVER met. Through both pregnancies. She must be most deviant person EVER.

Where the hell do all of you opposed to this live. I have not seen a brestfeeding woman UNCOVER. I have only seen them behave discreetly.
 
Hinder said:

This woman in particular - she ought to damn well wait a year until her child is weaned before trying to take this test. She's being ridiculous.

Why should she have to wait? Granted fathers don't breastfeed, but how many fathers wait a year to take a test or do anything else because they have just had a child? Physiologically the women do the nursing, so why should they have to adhere to a different standard just because they were created with breasts for that purpose?
 
MrsSpringsteen said:


Why should she have to wait? Granted fathers don't breastfeed, but how many fathers wait a year to take a test or do anything else because they have just had a child? Physiologically the women do the nursing, so why should they have to adhere to a different standard just because they were created with breasts for that purpose?

Because other people with "medical problems" are forced to wait and not be catered too. Breast feeding is a physiological act, but in this case it has turned into a medical problem. A fair amount of people have children and yet still take the test while breast feeding. She is already receiving numerous concessions and expecting that she get more is really selfish. Why isn't she willing to make any concessions? She can take the test over two days and with extra time given. That sounds pretty good to me. Lets not forget that she had an opportunity to take and pass the test and she failed to do that and now she wants the world given to her. She has been coddled long enough and shouldn't receive any more time.
 
Butterscotch said:


If it's wrong for a kid to look at a Playboy, if a woman doesn't want her hubby looking at other women's boobs, I can't understand why it's okay to see one in public if a baby is sucking it. If it's illegal for a girl or woman to expose to much of her breasts while in public, it shouldn't be okay in any form. I am all for breastfeeding, I just think it needs to be done discreetly if it must be done in public. Hinder makes a good point there.


There is such a thing as context. There are countless paintings and sculptures that are not considered crude, or inappropriate even though they depict topless women. No one would dream of censoring the Venus de Milo. And it's completely different from pornography, because they have different purposes, like breastfeeding and Playboy. I think that it's really underestimating people to think that they can't have a little bit of modesty and restraint when it comes to this. Women won't go around with their boobs hanging out, and men won't stare unnecessarily. I think the main thing is, that it's not *wrong* for a woman's husband to see another woman's breast in a breastfeeding context. Because it's not sexual whatsoever. Actually, it's interesting that there is this conception that someone would be turned on by a breast being suckled by a baby...because it just seems to immediately take away any form of sexual connotations.
 
I've seen my aunt nursing her daughter when I was younger, in an amusement park in Denmark in public, and no one cared! :ohmy:

And I'm still fairly healthy mentally. :wink:
 
Vincent Vega said:

And I'm still fairly healthy mentally. :wink:

That's what you think...I saw the picture of you copping a feel of that statue, you perv! :shame: :tsk:


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Got me. :D
 
When you see how many people touch her breast one after another, you shouldn't go by the name Adrian Monk. :D
 
Butterscotch said:


Me too, of course it's natural, but it's not okay to be seen in public, other womens' husbands, little kids, old people, etc. I don't see a problem with covering up with a towel, if you MUST do it in public and not at home, and not use a pump and bottle. If it was raining, or cold, or if the sun was in the baby's eyes, you'd cover his head up just walking down the street, so why is it 'tramatizing' to cover up while he's nursing? The baby sucks with its eyes closed anyway. I think covering is a good compromise.

OMG! Will you get over yourself?
 
randhail said:


Because other people with "medical problems" are forced to wait and not be catered too. Breast feeding is a physiological act, but in this case it has turned into a medical problem. A fair amount of people have children and yet still take the test while breast feeding. She is already receiving numerous concessions and expecting that she get more is really selfish. Why isn't she willing to make any concessions? She can take the test over two days and with extra time given. That sounds pretty good to me. Lets not forget that she had an opportunity to take and pass the test and she failed to do that and now she wants the world given to her. She has been coddled long enough and shouldn't receive any more time.

Well that's getting into her individual case, they decided it in that way so that's how it goes :shrug:. But she shouldn't have to wait another year just because she's a mother who is breastfeeding. Whether she has been coddled or not is irrelevant to that basic principle. The other aspects of her case must have been decided by the ADA (I am assuming, don't know for sure), which is the law. If you had disabilities covered by that law you would be treated accordingly.
 
The working woman's breastfeeding dilemma

http://www.mommytrackd.com/lactate-intolerant

"When she asks her employer for a chance to privately express her breastmilk multiple times during the workday (given that her newborn nurses every two to three hours) how her request is handled depends not only on the state in which she lives, but the company for which she works. Some employers may point her in the direction of the bathroom stall and tell her to go there with her breast pump only during her lunch hour. If she works in retail or in the restaurant business, she may be told that she has to use her 10-minute break and her 30-minute lunch break to do the pumping. If she’s at a supervisory level, she might be told that there are already scheduled meetings for which she is expected to remain in the room, even if the gatherings last hours. If she’s in a profession where she must take a lengthy professional test in order to begin practicing her craft, it’s likely she could be told that having to express her breastmilk doesn’t give her the right to any “special accommodations” that the men and non-lactating women don’t have.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, only a little more than a dozen states have laws prohibiting discrimination against women who need to pump their breastmilk while they’re at work, some specifically direct employers to provide private locations and mandate that employees be provided adequate breaks to use the breast pump. A 2004 Society for Human Resource Management report, however, found that 21 percent of the human resources personnel polled said their employers provided space and time for expressing breastmilk.

So what’s a woman to do when she wants to (needs to) work and succeed in her career, AND wants to (needs to) express her breastmilk for her new baby in order to adhere to current medical advice?

If she stands up for herself and demands time to express her milk so she won’t literally explode, develop an infection or reduce her milk supply that’s her newborn’s only form of sustenance, she risks not only being looked down upon or demoted professionally, but other women -- including those who didn’t rear their children under today’s intense pressure to breastfeed for a year – tear her apart. They call her a whiner. They say she’s looking to be coddled.

If she caves in to the professional, business pressure and stops breastfeeding because she can’t possibly keep up with the pumping and work (as most moms eventually wind up doing, federal and health officials are all waiting to tell her how she’s failed as a mother and is feeding her kid unhealthy formula. They call her a bad mom. They say she’s selfish.

What about all that you-go-girl encouragement in which she was saturated as a girl and a young woman, all those aphorisms about how she could do anything her male peers could do? Her male peers become dads at the same time she became a mom, and those males kept their careers on track. But, alas, the men don’t lactate, therefore, they can’t (and don’t) have to worry about getting securing accommodations to express breastmilk. If all of those folks who talk the talk about supporting women in the workplace don’t actually support what it really means to be a woman in the workplace – including during the time of a woman’s life when she has a baby and then lactates – then they’re providing nothing more than vacant lip service."
 
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Butterscotch said:


If it's wrong for a kid to look at a Playboy, if a woman doesn't want her hubby looking at other women's boobs, I can't understand why it's okay to see one in public if a baby is sucking it. If it's illegal for a girl or woman to expose to much of her breasts while in public, it shouldn't be okay in any form. I am all for breastfeeding, I just think it needs to be done discreetly if it must be done in public. Hinder makes a good point there.



Oh people are so kinky, there's a porn site for everything. I have heard of porn sites featuring pregnant women, I'm sure some must have breastfeeding. Unfortunately, I know for a fact some men do think of it sexually, since I once dated a guy who wanted to 'nurse'. :reject: Just best for everyone to cover up.

Actually, my point was that people shouldn't be sitting there staring at women feeding their kid - breasts being sexualized is UNFORTUNATE; people simply have got to get over that, and not sit around scrutinizing a breastfeeding mother, even if the entire breast is exposed. I question why someone would be staring. I mean, it's only a breast. Really.
 
Hinder said:


Actually, my point was that people shouldn't be sitting there staring at women feeding their kid - breasts being sexualized is UNFORTUNATE; people simply have got to get over that, and not sit around scrutinizing a breastfeeding mother, even if the entire breast is exposed. I question why someone would be staring. I mean, it's only a breast. Really.

No kidding. And really how many people have actually seen the mother's breast and nipple exposed (like more than what you would see at any beach) here in the US? I've seen too many women breast feeding in public to count, but I don't remember ever seeing boobs and nipples..... Most mothers are far more discreet than they should feel they have to be.
 
^ Don't know; I don't make a habit of spending time looking for 'taboo' body parts. :grin: However, if more women did it, I think the fascination with breasts would somewhat go away - or, at the very least, there'd be less shock over the idea of a breast not covered by clothes around in public. The nude human body is till very much a dirty little secret in this country, so exposing the 'sexual' bits is deemed terrible, even if the offender wasn't trying to offend.
 
Another breastfeeding issue, honestly I have never heard of this

abcnews.com

Baby Feeding by Mom's Friends
Babytalk Poll: 45 Percent Say Cross-Nursing is 'Disgusting' or 'Weird'
By ANN PLESHETTE

July 28, 2008 —

Breast-feeding, what many believe to be the most intimate act between a mother and child, is also generally believed to be an act exclusively between a mother and child.

According to experts, however, there is a growing trend of cross-nursing, in which a mother will allow another woman to breast-feed her baby.

"I think that it's just not been our social norm," said Morgan McFarland, who has been breast-feeding her friend Sarah Griffith's son since he was just 3 months old. "In some cultures, it is, and you would think nothing of, you know, nursing your neighbor's child if something happened, or nursing your sister's baby if she has to go to work."

To Lisa Moran, editor in chief of Babytalk magazine, the rising trend is not surprising.

"Cross-nursing is the logical extension to the rise in breast-feeding rates that we've seen in the past 15 years," she told "Good Morning America." "Moms are really committed to breast-feeding exclusively and finding new ways to do that. Cross-feeding, cross-nursing is one of those."

Not everyone sees cross-nursing so clearly, however.

According to a poll by Babytalk, 45 percent of people say cross-nursing is 'disgusting' or 'weird.'

McFarland believes some people have problems with an implicit "sexuality" connected to breast-feeding.

"They assume that anything that is to do with breasts has to be sexual," she said. "So, it's, I guess, bad enough if you're doing it with your own child. But then, you add another child to the mix and they're really concerned about it. It's silly."

Though it is seen by some as taboo, other experts have more practical concerns.

Leigh Anne O'Connor, leader of La Leche League International -- an organization that provides support to breast-feeding mothers -- warned parents that the milk their children gets from another woman should be screened for diseases, such as tuberculosis, syphilis, HIV and hepatitis-associated anitigens.

Rather than accepting milk from a friend, the La Leche organization recommends mothers try milk banks where the milk is screened and pasteurized.

But, for McFarland, cross-nursing is about more than the health risks and benefits.

"I think that a move back towards cross-nursing, or even just getting together with your nursing babies and sharing stories and becoming comfortable talking about the topic ... meets a very primal need for us -- that sense of bonding in the community."
 
This is very common in other cultures. In Africa there are women who are feeding several neighboring babies concurrently, none of which are their own.
 
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