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Old 01-13-2011, 03:41 PM   #451
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Just an example of a fringe leftist.


I still don't see your point.

There are major right wing personalities that have long lists of racist comments that they have aired on their shows.

There is a major conservative news network that recently called a legal hispanic child "an anchor baby".

There are numerous examples of racism displayed in a new movement on the right, a movement being catered to by the Republican party.

These are not examples of "fringe".
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Old 01-13-2011, 04:39 PM   #452
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There are major right wing personalities that have long lists of racist comments that they have aired on their shows.

There is a major conservative news network that recently called a legal hispanic child "an anchor baby".

There are numerous examples of racism displayed in a new movement on the right, a movement being catered to by the Republican party.

These are not examples of "fringe".
Well the examples you mentioned I haven't heard of and I would have to see what the context was, but the way you state it, it looks bad. BTW Marco Rubio, Allen West and Bobby Jindal are also a part of the "new" right so be careful. I would even have trouble calling them new when you have Thomas Sowell who's obviously old in sync with many of their ideas. The term "anchor babies" is a term for people who come to a country illegally and have a baby just to make a citizen. (Looking up the term Anchor baby) . Are you upset with the term or that they got it wrong in a particular instance, or both? I'm already aware that as soon as someone even goes into the conversation about increasing stringency in immigration rules they are courting comments that they are racist.

The "Magic" Negro song by Rush is making fun of the LA Times so that wouldn't be a good example to me. Even Juan Williams would agree. I wonder what Snerdley would think?



I think Beck apologized for something that he was accused of as racist but I rarely watch him. I might bump into some youtube videos. I like some of his blackboard stuff but not much else. I saw the D'Souza interview and he claims he gets his information from Obama books. I know Obama is far left already so reading these pointless books is just repetition. A left-wing guy in the interview I posted said as much already (though he wanted him to go even farther). Actually I think I remember Beck bashing D'Souza on his own interview where he didn't like a term he used. So I think he's quite aware of how people will take things. It's hard for me to find time to keep track of all of the accusations.

What I am noticing in my local news is if there is an attempted terrorist action the person reporting will be of a similar background as the accused to avoid any accusations of racist coverage and opportunities to show polite people of that background. Is that the next step in coverage? It's like Snerdley being "Offically black enough to criticize" (riffing off of some political pundits on the left who wondered if Obama was "black enough"). Of course the conservatives accuse the Democrats of being racists by using the race card to get as many illegals to be legal to vote Democrat. I'm sure many Democrats don't fit into that mold, (except for political hacks).

Anyways I look at legal immigration as a good thing and illegal immigration as a bad thing. We can't deport all the illegals but there has to be some point where laws are enforced from a certain point on or benefits will have to be denied to prevent further deficits. Some middle ground that both sides can live with is the key but it'll be a tug of war. I can't see this subject being tackled without some accusations of racism on either side.
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I know Obama is far left already so reading these pointless books is just repetition.
No. No, he is not. Not even close.

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I know Obama is far left already so reading these pointless books is just repetition.
Far left? No, not really.
In the wider world (international polical spectrum) I think he is considered center or center-right. Certainly not left or even far-left. There is no left in the political spectrum in the USA (compared to the international spectrum).
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Far left? No, not really.
In the wider world (international polical spectrum) I think he is considered center or center-right. Certainly not left or even far-left. There is no left in the political spectrum in the USA (compared to the international spectrum).
Obama centre-right, lol.
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Far left? No, not really.
In the wider world (international polical spectrum) I think he is considered center or center-right. Certainly not left or even far-left. There is no left in the political spectrum in the USA (compared to the international spectrum).
I'm talking about what Obama would want to pass as legislation. If he's forced to compromise he will. For the U.S I think that's as far left as a president has been. Correct me if I'm wrong is there a farther left-wing president in U.S. history?
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FDR is the grand daddy, right?

then there is Jimmy Carter.

not to mention, LBJ, that expanded all the social programs with 'the War on Poverty".
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Obama is a moderate, for my money. I wish he was much farther left on social issues.
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Obama centre-right, lol.
Looks like I wasn't too far off, if you consider this site: US Presidential Election 2008


(And yes, this was during the 2008 election and does not say anything about the current situation, but still...)
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I'm talking about what Obama would want to pass as legislation. If he's forced to compromise he will. For the U.S I think that's as far left as a president has been. Correct me if I'm wrong is there a farther left-wing president in U.S. history?
Agreed, his instincts are very left wing. Of course, he is constrained as to what he can actually do.
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Well the examples you mentioned I haven't heard of and I would have to see what the context was, but the way you state it, it looks bad. BTW Marco Rubio, Allen West and Bobby Jindal are also a part of the "new" right so be careful. I would even have trouble calling them new when you have Thomas Sowell who's obviously old in sync with many of their ideas. The term "anchor babies" is a term for people who come to a country illegally and have a baby just to make a citizen. (Looking up the term Anchor baby) . Are you upset with the term or that they got it wrong in a particular instance, or both?
Refering to a baby as an object isn't offensive to you? Really?
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The "Magic" Negro song by Rush is making fun of the LA Times so that wouldn't be a good example to me.
Really? Do you think anyone would make a song about McCain's skin color? If two black people aren't offended then it's not racist?

If a black talk show host commissioned a song called "Rush the drughead honky" it wouldn't be racist? I could probably think of two white people that wouldn't be offended.


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I can't see this subject being tackled without some accusations of racism on either side.
Then you're not trying hard enough.
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Agreed, his instincts are very left wing. Of course, he is constrained as to what he can actually do.
How does one judge one's instincts if you've never seen them act on them?
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A sad and tragic event.

Prayers to the families and friends.



I have read most of this thread and did not see this
posted about Jared Loughner:
Tucson shooting not driven by politics / LJWorld.com
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Glenn Beck praises Obama for Tucson speech.
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Well the examples you mentioned I haven't heard of and I would have to see what the context was, but the way you state it, it looks bad. BTW Marco Rubio, Allen West and Bobby Jindal are also a part of the "new" right so be careful.
Isn't that the Congressman when running stated "I have a higher security clearance than the President" and also he was to hire Joyce Kaufmann as his Chief of Staff - radio shock jock that said "if ballots don't work, bullets will". However, she resigned shortly after West was elected.

Here are the links to reference the comments above.
Politifact Florida rated Alan West's comments as "pants on fire"
http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...-president-un/

Here's a link to Joyce Kaufmann and her incendiary comments -

Joyce Kaufman - Bullets Ballots | Palin Defense | Tea Party | Mediaite
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