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Old 11-04-2008, 09:10 AM   #16
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yeah, definitely should have voted for the guy who couldn't nab a republican nomination for state senate and so ran on the conservative party ticket instead.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:28 PM   #17
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Proportional representation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Proportional representation has it's downside too.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:49 PM   #18
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The movie was masturbatory anti-Bush liberalism, I would have liked to have seen a straighter statist versus psychopathic anarchist bend to it.
The writer of the comic books disowned it.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:52 PM   #19
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Well Moore disowns everything, I can't say I blame him, although seeing people at protests wander around in Guy Fawkes masks made in China for a multinational media conglomerate is endlessly amusing.
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:20 PM   #20
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i find third parties hard to take seriously when i rarely, if ever, have see them on my ballot for anything other than the token presidential nomination.
This is a good article from a left wing perspective which addresses, inter alia, why the establishment are more than happy to keep political power in two parties:

ZNet - Ruling Class Candidate



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"........But, as The New York Times' editors certainly know, "they" still "put in who they want to put in" to no small extent. The predominantly white U.S. business and political establishment still makes sure that nobody who questions dominant domestic and imperial hierarchies and doctrines can make a serious ("viable") run for higher office - the presidency, above all. It does this by denying adequate campaign funding (absolutely essential to success in an age of super-expensive, media-driven campaigns) and favorable media treatment (without which a successful campaign is unimaginable at the current stage of corporate media consolidation and power) to candidates who step beyond the narrow boundaries of elite opinion. Thanks to these critical electoral filters and to the legally mandated U.S. winner-take-all "two party" system [2], a candidate who even remotely questions corporate and imperial power is not permitted to make a strong bid for the presidency.

Barack Obama is no exception to the rule. Anyone who thinks he could have risen to power without prior and ongoing ruling class approval is living in a dream world......."



"......Such is the dark authoritarian reality lurking behind the pride and excitement felt by Deddrick Battle and many other poor and black voters who have been inspired by the Obama phenomenon to think that "politics is for them too." President Obama can be counted on to use their new faith in reactionary and imperial ways reflecting hidden allegiance to the timeworn elite principle that really big matters of politics and policy are for the rich and powerful - not ordinary citizens - at the end of the day Obama's job is to keep the restless poor, working class, and global Many safely pacified while serving the needs of the wealthy and imperial Few. It's a deadly juggling act that could have terrible consequences. How long he can maintain the illusion of serving the interests of the people and the elite at one and the same time is an open question......"
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