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Old 12-29-2008, 08:15 PM   #31
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Actually, we had something like that once, a long time ago. It was called the O-Zone layer. However, the gases you refer to just destroy that.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:14 PM   #32
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That was a joke right?

You do know what ozone is, and the difference between UV reflectance and global dimming.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:33 AM   #33
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Yeah I know what ozone is. I think global dimming has more to do with the planes than emissions from cars and I forgot to add that this theory could of course apply just for the places where there is a Ozone depletion....
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:07 PM   #34
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this theory could of course apply just for the places where there is a Ozone depletion....
That's always been my favourite characteristic of the atmosphere, how it so convienently cordons off areas so that I don't have to use the same air as those darn russians do.
It also means we can't be blamed for holes around the poles, cause I don't live there....

But you know what, it serves Santa right to get irradiated with UV, what with all his factories up there at the North Pole. Thinks he can laugh free and easy without regulations on emissions up there. Who's laughing now?
Although, I suspect years of mutations as of a result, while having many cancer casualties at first, explain how his reindeer fly.
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That's always been my favourite characteristic of the atmosphere, how it so convienently cordons off areas so that I don't have to use the same air as those darn russians do.
It also means we can't be blamed for holes around the poles, cause I don't live there....

But you know what, it serves Santa right to get irradiated with UV, what with all his factories up there at the North Pole. Thinks he can laugh free and easy without regulations on emissions up there. Who's laughing now?
Although, I suspect years of mutations as of a result, while having many cancer casualties at first, explain how his reindeer fly.
Hey, you know what the #1 cause of Ozone depletion is? SARCASM. Thanks! Happy now?
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Hey, you know what the #1 cause of Ozone depletion is? SARCASM. Thanks! Happy now?
that would make UYMFA public enemy #1
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:40 PM   #37
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The article doesnt prove anything.

The debate over global warming won't ever end however most people and governments dont do what they can do to be environmentally friendly. Useless polution needs to be reduced especially by the US, China, India and many others.

I think the human race will be dying of cancer's caused by polution and other environmentally disfriendly factors that may or may not cause global warming but they are very harmful.

Its like smoking but much worse....blowing chemicals into the air that should not be inhailed by humans or any other animal.

Cancer rates have went up every decade for the last 100 years and I dont see this stopping anytime soon, until the world takes the environment seriously and that wont happen until something major happens.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:50 PM   #38
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Hey, you know what the #1 cause of Ozone depletion is? SARCASM. Thanks! Happy now?
What sarcasm?
I think that's a perfectly plausible explanation for flying reindeer.

Don't you believe in EVOLUTION, you monkey?
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What sarcasm?
I think that's a perfectly plausible explanation for flying reindeer.

Don't you believe in EVOLUTION, you monkey?
lol, evolution. I think I'll quote a little historical document that proves the universe was created roughly 7,000 years ago. A little document I like to call THE BIBLE! You can't argue with THE BIBLE.

Genesis 2:4-6

"And on the 7th day, the Lord looked upon Man and Woman and breathed in the air of His creation. As he sought rest from his labor he closed his eyes and then quickly reopened them, "SHIT! I ALMOST FORGOT! LET THERE BE FLYING REINDEER!" And so it came to be. "
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The article doesnt prove anything.

The debate over global warming won't ever end however most people and governments dont do what they can do to be environmentally friendly. Useless polution needs to be reduced especially by the US, China, India and many others.

I think the human race will be dying of cancer's caused by polution and other environmentally disfriendly factors that may or may not cause global warming but they are very harmful.

Its like smoking but much worse....blowing chemicals into the air that should not be inhailed by humans or any other animal.

Cancer rates have went up every decade for the last 100 years and I dont see this stopping anytime soon, until the world takes the environment seriously and that wont happen until something major happens.
The rise in cancer rates only proves a reduction in other forms of death, its a good thing.
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The rise in cancer rates only proves a reduction in other forms of death, its a good thing.
I believe that assumption (for the most part) only holds if the cancer rates are increasing in older age strata. Under the assumption that other things killed us before we got cancer...
I don't know what the statistics are so I can't argue one way or the other.

Although somewhere on my computer I have a set of graphs showing death trends over the last ~50 years.
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I just like to take a step back before leaping on board crisis #62578167.
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Just for interests sake, I found this older one...



Interestingly, the thing I remember that first stuck me was the level of suicides and homicides, and the sad reality that suicides outnumber homicides (not that it is any better an outcome).
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DailyTech - Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

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Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

Thirty years of sea ice data. The record begins at 1979, the year satellite observations began (Source: Arctic Research Center, University of Illinois)Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.



Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.

The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.

Each year, millions of square kilometers of sea ice melt and refreeze. However, the mean ice anomaly -- defined as the seasonally-adjusted difference between the current value and the average from 1979-2000, varies much more slowly. That anomaly now stands at just under zero, a value identical to one recorded at the end of 1979, the year satellite record-keeping began.

Sea ice is floating and, unlike the massive ice sheets anchored to bedrock in Greenland and Antarctica, doesn't affect ocean levels. However, due to its transient nature, sea ice responds much faster to changes in temperature or precipitation and is therefore a useful barometer of changing conditions.

Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC's Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

In May, concerns over disappearing sea ice led the U.S. to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal's numbers were increasing.
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