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Old 06-07-2009, 06:35 PM   #1
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The EU Elections - The Results.

I've started another thread (as the other wasn't so specific) and people can post as their respective countries results come in. So far it's looking pretty dismal for the British left (with the BNP having won a seat for the first time, and UKIP coming second) and it seems like it's going to be a rather right wing parliament on the whole too.

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But why would the Irish equivalent not have done as well as UKIP? I just cannot understand that. I take it Libertas take the 'irish jobs for irish people' stance? And while I disagree with it wholly, why on earth would people in the UK go for that but not people in Ireland?
Alas, the Irish are evidently not so niave.
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The BNP have won a seat in Yorkshire and Humber.

Looks as if they will take at least 2 then with Nick Griffin in NW.
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Er, no, I wasn't.
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But why would the Irish equivalent not have done as well as UKIP? I just cannot understand that. I take it Libertas take the 'irish jobs for irish people' stance? And while I disagree with it wholly, why on earth would people in the UK go for that but not people in Ireland?
Alas, the Irish are evidently not so niave.
UKIP have been in existence for quite a few years and have slowly but surely built up their base. Libertas basically came from nowwhere about a year ago. A lot of questions have been raised about where they are getting the money to finance their extensive, though ultimately unsuccessful campaigns in the Euro's. Also, the Eurosceptic vote is really quite small in Ireland as compared to the UK, notwithstanding the no to Lisbon vote last year.
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Er, no, I wasn't.
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UKIP have been in existence for quite a few years and have slowly but surely built up their base. Libertas basically came from nowwhere about a year ago. A lot of questions have been raised about where they are getting the money to finance their extensive, though ultimately unsuccessful campaigns in the Euro's. Also, the Eurosceptic vote is really quite small in Ireland as compared to the UK, notwithstanding the no to Lisbon vote last year.
Yes, I suppose UKIP's relative 'old hat' status has worked in their favour this year when it hasn't in the past, but I'd still expect the increase in eurosceptics to be a general trend irrelevant of the country in a time like this. Perhaps the no on the Lisbon treaty has quelled any potential fear of progression and therefore Irish sceptics have become somewhat complacent?

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The BNP have won a seat in Yorkshire and Humber.

Looks as if they will take at least 2 then with Nick Griffin in NW.
I've just seen, perhaps a further kick in the teeth seeing that smug twat being interviewed on the bbc right now. I'd be surprised if he didn't get it.
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Yes, I suppose UKIP's relative 'old hat' status has worked in their favour this year when it hasn't in the past, but I'd still expect the increase in eurosceptics to be a general trend irrelevant of the country in a time like this. Perhaps the no on the Lisbon treaty has quelled any potential fear of progression and therefore Irish sceptics have become somewhat complacent?
Historically, euroscepticism in Ireland has been mainly associated with the left rather than the right. I think that with the anti-government vote largely benefiting left wing parties, Libertas, being right wing, lost out.
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I've just seen, perhaps a further kick in the teeth seeing that smug twat being interviewed on the bbc right now. I'd be surprised if he didn't get it.
The anniversary of D-Day and people are electing fascists. There's something not right about that.
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The anniversary of D-Day and people are electing fascists. There's something not right about that.
Seeing BNP members out on the beaches with the war veterans, pointing at them and saying, 'these are who we're fighting for!' causes me great confusion.


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And it seems that the entire parliament has actually had loses on the right since 2004, and gains in smaller parties. So a definite rise in the amount of single issue support then.
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As Nick said, dont blame him. The real shame is people not voting, thats the biggest snub on the week of the anniversary of D-Day. Your either for or against democracy, you either respect people’s votes or you don’t. If people want to vote BNP fair play to them. Two fingers to the mob outside of Manchester town hall last night who tried to stop the democratic process.

The media have too much power in this country.
BNP won seats, not on the back of MP expenses but because of immigration. Immigration is a real issue in not only this country but in Europe and people shouldnt be afraid of saying it.

Great speech last night i must say.

I voted UKIP btw and im a labour supporter.
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" Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons have won seats in the European Parliament - but they do not represent Britain. "

So the people of the North West and Yorkshire dont count then ?

People must learn to respect the vote of the electorate. If people dont like a party, get up off your feet and vote. Its simple lmao.

30-40% turn out is a joke.
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I absolutely do not respect the vote of the electorate - that party should not have been on the electorate in the first place. This makes me rethink everything I've ever felt about free speech, too.
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As Nick said, dont blame him. The real shame is people not voting, thats the biggest snub on the week of the anniversary of D-Day. Your either for or against democracy, you either respect people’s votes or you don’t. If people want to vote BNP fair play to them. Two fingers to the mob outside of Manchester town hall last night who tried to stop the democratic process.

The media have too much power in this country.
BNP won seats, not on the back of MP expenses but because of immigration. Immigration is a real issue in not only this country but in Europe and people shouldnt be afraid of saying it.

Great speech last night i must say.

I voted UKIP btw and im a labour supporter.
This crowd are the direct ideological descendants of people that put Jews in ovens in the 1940s. Do you have any mentally or physically handicapped friends or relatives? Any friends and relatives that are minority ethnic groups?
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The fact that he's a politics teacher is frightening, possibly more so than him being elected. The first step? Freedom? Dictatorship? I mean, do they have ANY understanding of the hypocrisy in all of this?
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While I condemn the BNP and view most of the people who voted for them as misguided it must also be noted that New Labour's policies are partly to blame for this.
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Eloquent and professional, Mr Brons, 61, is both a politics and law lecturer, and a convicted criminal.

He was fined £50 by Leeds magistrates in 1984 for abusive chanting that included calling an ethnic minority police officer an "inferior being".


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