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I've started another thread (as the other wasn't so specific) and people can post as their respective countries results come in. So far it's looking pretty dismal for the British left (with the BNP having won a seat for the first time, and UKIP coming second) and it seems like it's going to be a rather right wing parliament on the whole too.

A running commentary here -
BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Election 09

Thoughts?
 
But why would the Irish equivalent not have done as well as UKIP? I just cannot understand that. I take it Libertas take the 'irish jobs for irish people' stance? And while I disagree with it wholly, why on earth would people in the UK go for that but not people in Ireland?
Alas, the Irish are evidently not so niave.
 
The BNP have won a seat in Yorkshire and Humber.

Looks as if they will take at least 2 then with Nick Griffin in NW.
 
But why would the Irish equivalent not have done as well as UKIP? I just cannot understand that. I take it Libertas take the 'irish jobs for irish people' stance? And while I disagree with it wholly, why on earth would people in the UK go for that but not people in Ireland?
Alas, the Irish are evidently not so niave.

UKIP have been in existence for quite a few years and have slowly but surely built up their base. Libertas basically came from nowwhere about a year ago. A lot of questions have been raised about where they are getting the money to finance their extensive, though ultimately unsuccessful campaigns in the Euro's. Also, the Eurosceptic vote is really quite small in Ireland as compared to the UK, notwithstanding the no to Lisbon vote last year.
 
Er, no, I wasn't.

Being overly paranoid on my part, when in FYM, is always a good thing :up:

UKIP have been in existence for quite a few years and have slowly but surely built up their base. Libertas basically came from nowwhere about a year ago. A lot of questions have been raised about where they are getting the money to finance their extensive, though ultimately unsuccessful campaigns in the Euro's. Also, the Eurosceptic vote is really quite small in Ireland as compared to the UK, notwithstanding the no to Lisbon vote last year.

Yes, I suppose UKIP's relative 'old hat' status has worked in their favour this year when it hasn't in the past, but I'd still expect the increase in eurosceptics to be a general trend irrelevant of the country in a time like this. Perhaps the no on the Lisbon treaty has quelled any potential fear of progression and therefore Irish sceptics have become somewhat complacent?

The BNP have won a seat in Yorkshire and Humber.

Looks as if they will take at least 2 then with Nick Griffin in NW.

I've just seen, perhaps a further kick in the teeth seeing that smug twat being interviewed on the bbc right now. I'd be surprised if he didn't get it.
 
Yes, I suppose UKIP's relative 'old hat' status has worked in their favour this year when it hasn't in the past, but I'd still expect the increase in eurosceptics to be a general trend irrelevant of the country in a time like this. Perhaps the no on the Lisbon treaty has quelled any potential fear of progression and therefore Irish sceptics have become somewhat complacent?

Historically, euroscepticism in Ireland has been mainly associated with the left rather than the right. I think that with the anti-government vote largely benefiting left wing parties, Libertas, being right wing, lost out.
 
I've just seen, perhaps a further kick in the teeth seeing that smug twat being interviewed on the bbc right now. I'd be surprised if he didn't get it.

The anniversary of D-Day and people are electing fascists. There's something not right about that.
 
The anniversary of D-Day and people are electing fascists. There's something not right about that.

Seeing BNP members out on the beaches with the war veterans, pointing at them and saying, 'these are who we're fighting for!' causes me great confusion.


Hope Not Hate | Nick Griffin: Not in my name



And it seems that the entire parliament has actually had loses on the right since 2004, and gains in smaller parties. So a definite rise in the amount of single issue support then.
 
As Nick said, dont blame him. The real shame is people not voting, thats the biggest snub on the week of the anniversary of D-Day. Your either for or against democracy, you either respect people’s votes or you don’t. If people want to vote BNP fair play to them. Two fingers to the mob outside of Manchester town hall last night who tried to stop the democratic process.

The media have too much power in this country.
BNP won seats, not on the back of MP expenses but because of immigration. Immigration is a real issue in not only this country but in Europe and people shouldnt be afraid of saying it.

Great speech last night i must say. YouTube - Nick Griffin BNP Victory Speech-Euro Elections 2009

I voted UKIP btw and im a labour supporter.
 

" Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons have won seats in the European Parliament - but they do not represent Britain. "

So the people of the North West and Yorkshire dont count then ?

People must learn to respect the vote of the electorate. If people dont like a party, get up off your feet and vote. Its simple lmao.

30-40% turn out is a joke.
 
I absolutely do not respect the vote of the electorate - that party should not have been on the electorate in the first place. This makes me rethink everything I've ever felt about free speech, too.
 
As Nick said, dont blame him. The real shame is people not voting, thats the biggest snub on the week of the anniversary of D-Day. Your either for or against democracy, you either respect people’s votes or you don’t. If people want to vote BNP fair play to them. Two fingers to the mob outside of Manchester town hall last night who tried to stop the democratic process.

The media have too much power in this country.
BNP won seats, not on the back of MP expenses but because of immigration. Immigration is a real issue in not only this country but in Europe and people shouldnt be afraid of saying it.

Great speech last night i must say. YouTube - Nick Griffin BNP Victory Speech-Euro Elections 2009

I voted UKIP btw and im a labour supporter.

This crowd are the direct ideological descendants of people that put Jews in ovens in the 1940s. Do you have any mentally or physically handicapped friends or relatives? Any friends and relatives that are minority ethnic groups?
 
The fact that he's a politics teacher is frightening, possibly more so than him being elected. The first step? Freedom? Dictatorship? I mean, do they have ANY understanding of the hypocrisy in all of this?
 
While I condemn the BNP and view most of the people who voted for them as misguided it must also be noted that New Labour's policies are partly to blame for this.
 
Eloquent and professional, Mr Brons, 61, is both a politics and law lecturer, and a convicted criminal.

He was fined £50 by Leeds magistrates in 1984 for abusive chanting that included calling an ethnic minority police officer an "inferior being".


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Divorced with two grown-up daughters and four grand children, Mr Brons was 17 when, in 1964, he started his political activism, signing up for the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, an organisation that was deliberately founded on Hitler's birthday. NSM members were responsible for an arson campaign against Jewish property and synagogues in the 1960s.

According to the pressure group Hope Not Hate, Mr Brons said, in a letter to the group founder Colin Jordan's wife, such action was "well intentioned". The group said he also sent Mrs Jordan money to buy a swastika badge and other Nazi material, explaining he was about to undertake a "crash programme" of publicity for the NSM in Yorkshire by deluging areas with Nazi stickers, posters and slogans.

European elections 2009: BNP Andrew Brons profile - Telegraph
 
You guys really seem quite far behind in recent BNP policy.
The BNP have Jewish members and have support from ethnic minorities. Dont believe too much in what liberal media have to say.

Lily Allen is a media bully who has all the class of a discarded walkers crisp packet.
 
The BNP have Jewish members

They think it's better to work with them instead of these nasty nasty Muslims. At least most of them are white! Besides, Jew bashing is sooo 1940's!


and have support from ethnic minorities. Dont believe too much in what liberal media have to say.

Apart from Anglo Saxons, who are the major ethnic group in Britain, there are supporters from ethnic minorities such as Welsh, Scottish, Manx and Northern Irish.
Other individuals from ethnic (read: non-white) minorities who support the BNP may be new in the country and maybe they don't speak the language very well, so it was hard for them to decipher the text on the BNP pamphlets, so they had to rely on the leader's good looks *ahem*.
 
They think it's better to work with them instead of these nasty nasty Muslims. At least most of them are white! Besides, Jew bashing is sooo 1940's!





Other individuals from ethnic (read: non-white) minorities who support the BNP may be new in the country and maybe they don't speak the language very well, so it was hard for them to decipher the text on the BNP pamphlets, so they had to rely on the leader's good looks *ahem*.

You cant just touch soil and vote, you must be here for X amount of years and if by then you haven't grasped the aspect of the English language maybe you shouldn't vote. Minorities have had enough of immigration too, your a fool if you think its just a white man's problem.


On a side note : Brown out Johnson in. Election asap on the back of the bounce.
 
On a side note : Brown out Johnson in. Election asap on the back of the bounce.

Brown out?

Not yet.
Brown Survives Labour Mutiny in U.K. With Pledge to ‘Improve’

By Kitty Donaldson and Gonzalo Vina

June 9 (Bloomberg) -- Prime Minister Gordon Brown will remain at the helm of Britain’s ruling Labour Party after beating back a rebellion by members unhappy over its worst-ever defeat in voting for the European Parliament.

Confronting dissidents at a two-hour closed-door meeting in Parliament in London late yesterday, Brown won the support of most Labour lawmakers by promising to make unspecified changes to his leadership style and agenda, said six who attended.

“I know I need to improve,” Brown told the meeting, according to his spokesman. He shrugged off calls for his resignation, saying, “You solve the problem not by walking away but by doing something about it.”

Although Brown’s supporters warned that a leadership fight would prompt a general election that Labour would almost certainly lose, the prime minister’s hold on power remains fragile. The wounds inflicted may be reopened if the party’s poll ratings don’t improve or if Brown presses ahead with controversial plans to clamp down on welfare benefits and sell a stake in the postal service.

“The sharks are no longer circling, but they haven’t gone away,” said Ivor Gaber, a professor of political campaigning at City University in London. “At the moment, he is still the most likely person to lead Labour into the next election. But it is by no means certain.”

Tomorrow, lawmakers vote on a motion proposed by opposition parties calling on Brown to hold a general election immediately instead of waiting until the deadline a year from now. If a handful of Labour lawmakers rebel or neglect to show up, Brown, who has a 63-seat majority, could lose the vote.
Brown Survives Labour Mutiny in U.K. With Pledge to ‘Improve’ - Bloomberg.com
 
You cant just touch soil and vote, you must be here for X amount of years and if by then you haven't grasped the aspect of the English language maybe you shouldn't vote. Minorities have had enough of immigration too, your a fool if you think its just a white man's problem.


On a side note : Brown out Johnson in. Election asap on the back of the bounce.

First bit - Jesus, Vaz, you don't really believe any of that do you? You haven't actually seen these leaflets and read the buzz words, and accepted that we're 'swarming' with immigrants who act as a 'drain' on the resources we good 'british' people are entitled to? You do realise that in comparison with other EU countries we actually take significantly fewer immigrants from war zones and dangerous areas? The BNP have taken certain figures and used them OUT OF CONTEXT to manipulate the truth; if you look to neutral information sources, you'll see that what you're being led to believe is wrong.


Second bit - I'm hoping Johnson takes over, takes the party left, builds a bit more trust, gets people out to vote, wins general election.
 
While I condemn the BNP and view most of the people who voted for them as misguided it must also be noted that New Labour's policies are partly to blame for this.

While I absolutely do NOT support New Labour (and as a Labour party member feel disillusioned and sickened by their most recent policy agendas) I don't think anyone is to blame but the BNP themselves. They've got intelligent leaders who've successfully evaded the law for this long, but perhaps now is the time to change those laws and prevent such hate-based opinions from being aired.
 
While I absolutely do NOT support New Labour (and as a Labour party member feel disillusioned and sickened by their most recent policy agendas) I don't think anyone is to blame but the BNP themselves. They've got intelligent leaders who've successfully evaded the law for this long, but perhaps now is the time to change those laws and prevent such hate-based opinions from being aired.
Your thuggish attitude towards free speech is disturbing, perhaps you could systematically list the reasons why the BNP platform is wrong before throwing them in prison.
 
You cant just touch soil and vote, you must be here for X amount of years and if by then you haven't grasped the aspect of the English language maybe you shouldn't vote. Minorities have had enough of immigration too, your a fool if you think its just a white man's problem.


On a side note : Brown out Johnson in. Election asap on the back of the bounce.


These minorities must be very stupid to vote for a guy who sees immigrants as parasites. Do you really think that there are no other, more decent conservative parties they'd rather vote for???

Besides a lot of the die hard BNP followers are neo nazis and former Apartheid supporters.
 
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