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Old 02-23-2012, 09:37 PM   #1
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:53 PM   #2
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This article perfectly illustrates the senselessness of religion. Thanks for posting, Iron Horse!
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'The world needs to stand up and say that a man cannot be put to death because of his faith.
It really depresses me that we still need to remind people of that in this day and age.

Geez. Horrible story. I admire him standing up for what he believes in, but then I look at that photo of his family...if I were him, I'd reconsider for their sake (and by reconsider I mean "pretend to repent").

I hope he can be saved from his potential fate somehow.
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I hope he can be saved from his potential fate somehow.
somehow ?????

WTF, this should be easier than making a fat kid eat cake.


The man has a wife and two kids

if he does not have the common sense to say,
and here it is, it is really easy,

"I renounce this Christian religion"

then he is a complete failure as a man, father, husband and human being, and most importantly >>>>>>>> Christian !!!!!!!!!!!
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this sounds like it could be solved as easily as when bart simpson had to apologise to australia.
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somehow ?????

WTF, this should be easier than making a fat kid eat cake.


The man has a wife and two kids

if he does not have the common sense to say,
and here it is, it is really easy,

"I renounce this Christian religion"

then he is a complete failure as a man, father, husband and human being.
I agree it's what I think would be best for him to do (though I wouldn't go so far as to call him a "failure"). But that's what I mean-I either hope he'll "renounce" his faith, or if he really refuses to do that, that someone else has the courage to come along and save him somehow.
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I agree it's what I think would be best for him to do (though I wouldn't go so far as to call him a "failure"). But that's what I mean-I either hope he'll "renounce" his faith, or if he really refuses to do that, that someone else has the courage to come along and save him somehow.
if he does not save himself, he is a 100% failure.
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But if they ever decide to write another bible, this might be a good way to get in
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this sounds like it could be solved as easily as when bart simpson had to apologise to australia.
Bullfrog? That's a funny name.
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But won't he be rewarded for standing up for his faith and his savior in the next life? Pitty he'll completely fuck over the lives of his family in this one.

Easy choice for most of us, but not so easy when you're delusional.
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Bullfrog? That's a funny name.
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A pastor faces execution for his faith, and the sentiment I'm reading here is that it's the pastor at fault? Wow.
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A pastor faces execution for his faith, and the sentiment I'm reading here is that it's the pastor at fault? Wow.


in a way, i agree that the tone in here isn't as respectful as it should be, and i contributed so i'm partially to blame. i don't think anyone is saying this is a good thing or that the Iranian government isn't batshit Stone Age crazy.

but the broader point is that this man is willing to die -- leaving his wife a widow and his children without a father -- rather than "repenting." for some, this seems crazy. like, i'm quite sure Jesus would understand if he could pretend to repent.
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may i also cite trash of the titans as an alternate, simpsons based precedent?
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For the record, his wife herself spent 10 months in prison, during which she too refused to recant, before being acquitted (generally, only community leaders such as pastors are held indefinitely like this for "apostasy" in Iran). So I doubt she, for one, would consider herself "fucked over" if her husband likewise refused to repent. It should also be kept in mind that Nadarkhani isn't just any old "apostate," he's a community leader looked up to by his cohort in a country where religious minorities (converts or otherwise) are marginalized and vulnerable even in the best of times.
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but the broader point is that this man is willing to die -- leaving his wife a widow and his children without a father -- rather than "repenting." for some, this seems crazy.
I understand this perspective, and am not sure what I personally might do in the hard-to-imagine event that I were in a similar situation. (Some in my father's family were apparently Marranos aka crypto-Jews back in Portugal before fleeing to Amsterdam, so, there's a kind of precedent there I guess.) But I seriously doubt many people in this situation could be properly (and dismissively) characterized as helplessly ruled by fear that God Will Get Mad If I Repent, or I'm Gonna Be A Hero In Heaven If I Resist. This is also a freedom of conscience issue, a stand with one's life for what is broadly internationally recognized as a fundamental human right, with ethical ramifications beyond just the individual and his immediate family. What else are people sometimes punished and executed for in this world that they could always pretend not to practice or believe in, for the sake of staying around to help support their families? I can think of other things...There's a case to be made that we have greater obligations than those to one's spouse and children, and I'm not just talking about God. I don't think (well, actually, I know) the responses here would be the same if this were, say, an atheist being persecuted.
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