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Old 11-19-2008, 09:55 AM   #46
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Why did you quote me, where does it say anything about the constitution in there?

Do you even read people's posts anymore?
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Old 11-19-2008, 11:28 AM   #47
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Mitt says no to the bailout:
Nobody cares what Mitt says.
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what kind of a name is "Mitt" anyhow? Who names their kid "Mitt"??
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:41 PM   #49
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It's usually a nickname for Mitchell. I think he's named after a family friend who went by Mitt.
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...could be worse I guess... Trig?
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:03 PM   #51
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it's a race to the bottom folks. i, for one, can't wait to see who loses wins.

i've got a few ideas for the new the labor agreements: does $10/hr with astronomical health insurance premiums and a shitty 401k sound good to you, mittens? should really get those profit margins back on track. better yet, let's just get rid of the unions (and osha and eeoc while we're at it?) and get back to at will employment. after all, those people have a right to be unemployed. if they don't want to work for shit wages and benefits i say let them starve. but, "what about the thousands of jobs that will be shed during the restructuring?", you might ask. don't worry about it folks. there are plenty of low paying service sector jobs available to be filled since all of the illegals are getting the fuck out of dodge.
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:10 PM   #52
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it's a race to the bottom folks. i, for one, can't wait to see who loses wins.

i've got a few ideas for the new the labor agreements: does $10/hr with astronomical health insurance premiums and a shitty 401k sound good to you, mittens? should really get those profit margins back on track. better yet, let's just get rid of the unions (and osha and eeoc while we're at it?) and get back to at will employment. after all, those people have a right to be unemployed. if they don't want to work for shit wages and benefits i say let them starve. but, "what about the thousands of jobs that will be shed during the restructuring?", you might ask. don't worry about it folks. there are plenty of low paying service sector jobs available to be filled since all of the illegals are getting the fuck out of dodge.
This bears no relation to what Romney said. But anyway, what's your solution?
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:28 PM   #53
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This bears no relation to what Romney said. But anyway, what's your solution?
sure it does. he wants new labor agreements. i gave him some suggestions. excellent cost saving suggestions, i might add.

my solution? fire management, obviously.
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Mitt is his middle name, his first name is Willard. Mitt is for his father's cousin Milton who played quarterback for the Chicago Bears. Willard is for his father's best friend, as in Marriott as in the hotels.

I think it's fantastic that the big three guys took private jets to DC, way to go
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I think it's fantastic that the big three guys took private jets to DC, way to go
Yeah I went home on my lunch break and caught a little of the questioning on this. I loved it when he (don't know who it was) said "couldn't you just fly first class or Jet pool?" Laughed my ass off.
Then he ask him how much to keep things afloat till March, and the automaker couldn't give him a figure. He said "worse case senario, unlimited". Wish I knew who it was, I only watched a few minutes and had to get back to work.
Jeezus Christ, who wouldn't want an unlimited bail out.
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i say let them go bankrupt..
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And the US car companies have an average wage of something like $73 an hour (including benefits) - a lot higher than Toyota.
The $73 figure is total labor, healthcare and pension benefit costs for 2007 (for all current and retired workers and surviving spouses; the latter two groups together are 3 times the former's size) divided by the total number of hours worked that same year. While their current pension program may be unsustainable, that figure doesn't reflect the actual wages of current workers.
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NPR: GM vs. Toyota: By the Numbers

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Average Labor Cost per U.S. Hourly Worker

Source: GM & Toyota
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$73.73

Toyota:
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Bachus and other lawmakers cited a figure of more than $70 per hour that UAW workers are supposedly paid as an example of cuts that need to be made. Several experts have noted that that figure, compiled before the 2007 contract, includes the cost of pensions and health care benefits for retirees in addition to pay for active workers.

Under the 2007 contract, new hires will be paid $14 a hour with far less generous retirement benefits, changes the companies say will make them competitive with labor costs at foreign-owned U.S. plants.
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Rather, the $70 per hour figure (or $73 an hour, or whatever) is a ridiculous number obtained by adding up GM's total labor, health, and pension costs, and then dividing by the total number of hours worked. In other words, it includes all the healthcare and retirement costs of retired workers.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:31 PM   #60
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You guys know I was in the car business for 20 plus years- the last 2 managing at a Jeep store right?

You guys realize that for every GM car sold approx 2000.00 goes to the union benefits of retired GM factory workers.

People like Michael Moore advocated this mentality 20 years ago in his movie Roger and Me.

Roger & Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You see where the "entitlement mentality" gets ppl in the long run, right?

YouTube - Roger & Me (1989 trailer) a film by Michael Moore

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