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Old 08-18-2009, 10:05 AM   #31
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  • Hitler was a vegetarian. Hitler was pure evil. Therefore, vegetarians have evil ideals.
no he wasn't

I get what you are saying though.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:12 AM   #32
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Martha, let me ask you something. What percentage of us evil white conservatives do you believe have a problem with a black person with a funny name being president? 1%? 2%? Because that's about what I think it is.
I think quite a lot of them do. I can't and won't give any percentages, but from my limited experience with conservatives, I think it's more than either of us would like. Some conservatives like to think that race isn't an issue, They claim to be color-blind or "post-racial, "but it's such a deep issue in this country, deeper than any of us want to admit. I think many conservatives, and many "liberals" (PUMA anyone?) are still terrified by the idea of a black man as president.


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What about me? You don't know me that well, but what about me? Do you think I'm opposed to him being president because of his policies, or because of the color of his skin? Tell me. Because I'm fine with a president Colin Powell, or a president Condoleeza Rice, or a president JC Watts. So if you think I have a problem with his skin color, I think you owe me the decency of telling me so.
I don't know you, so why would I comment on this? I think you have more issues with race than you'll admit, because I think most Americans do, myself included.

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I find the use of race (almost all of it on the Democratic side) quite upsetting and very telling, though not surprising. I knew that once Obama and his administration and his policies- not to mention the Democratic Party as a whole- start to plummet in the polls, then they would throw the ol' "Well it's because he's black!" tantrum. It's actually pretty funny.
When people like you throw the word "socialism" around, and it's a completely wrong, what else are we supposed to think? Once again, if you think this guy's a socialist, then you have no idea what socialism is. No idea.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:27 AM   #33
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1%? 2%? Because that's about what I think it is.
It's impossible to give a percentage but it would be higher than that. I see it a lot here where I live, we saw at the tea parties, we've even seen public officials getting caught sending out racist emails. So I would say higher than 2%.

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I find the use of race (almost all of it on the Democratic side) quite upsetting and very telling, though not surprising.
The very first person to bring up race in FYM leading up to the election was you actually. Saying the only way Obama will win is because he's a handsome black man.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:30 AM   #34
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I would say that Universal / Govt controlled healthcare is certainly a Socialist leaning. I would also say that invading a country in order to "liberate" it is a Fascist leaning. So they're kinda the same, I guess....
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:52 AM   #35
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Martha, let me ask you something. What percentage of us evil white conservatives do you believe have a problem with a black person with a funny name being president? 1%? 2%? Because that's about what I think it is.
Yeah it's totally not. That 1% is made up by my family alone. I take it you haven't traveled into racist parts of the country much?
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no he wasn't
A biography of Hitler I had read and this site argues otherwise that he was.

http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/

I do happen to notice that a lot of the websites that argue that he wasn't fall victim to "reductio ad Hitlerum" arguments, out of fear that if Hitler was a vegetarian, then all vegetarians are guilty by association, or this kind of implicit unrealistic view that vegetarianism can solve all the world's problems and make all people nice just by avoiding meat.

Either way, it's all really beside the point.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:09 AM   #37
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no he wasn't

I get what you are saying though.
Hey, aren't you a vegetarian? And aren't you pure evil? Also - remember that time you convinced me you didn't exist? Isn't that the Devil's greatest trick? I'm starting to see a trend here...
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A biography of Hitler I had read and this site argues otherwise that he was.

http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/

I do happen to notice that a lot of the websites that argue that he wasn't fall victim to "reductio ad Hitlerum" arguments, out of fear that if Hitler was a vegetarian, then all vegetarians are guilty by association, or this kind of implicit unrealistic view that vegetarianism can solve all the world's problems and make all people nice just by avoiding meat.

Either way, it's all really besides the point.
It is my understanding that he ate a meat-reduced diet but did not completely abstain.

Adolf Hitler's vegetarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Author Robert Payne, in his biography of Hitler, The Life and Death of Adolph Hitler (Praeger, 1973) theorizes that the image of Hitler as a vegetarian ascetic was deliberately fostered by Joseph Goebbels:

"Hitler's asceticism played an important part in the image he projected over Germany. According to the widely believed legend he neither smoked nor drank, nor did he eat meat or have anything to do with women. Only the first was true. He drank beer and diluted wine frequently, had a special fondness for Bavarian sausages and kept a mistress....His asceticism was a fiction invented by Goebbels to emphasize his total dedication, his self control, the distance that separated him from other men....In fact, he was remarkably self indulgent and possessed none of the instincts of the ascetic. His cook, an enormously fat man named Willy Kannenberg, produced exquisite meals and acted as court jester. Although Hitler had no fondness for meat except in the form of sausages and never ate fish, he enjoyed caviar...." (p. 346)[7]
but yes, this is off topic - I apologize
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A biography of Hitler I had read and this site argues otherwise that he was.

http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/

I do happen to notice that a lot of the websites that argue that he wasn't fall victim to "reductio ad Hitlerum" arguments, out of fear that if Hitler was a vegetarian, then all vegetarians are guilty by association, or this kind of implicit unrealistic view that vegetarianism can solve all the world's problems and make all people nice just by avoiding meat.

Either way, it's all really beside the point.
Stop defending Hitler.
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Hey, aren't you a vegetarian? And aren't you pure evil? Also - remember that time you convinced me you didn't exist? Isn't that the Devil's greatest trick? I'm starting to see a trend here...
yes and next to the protein questions, wasn't Hitler a vegetarian is the second most annoying question I get on a regular basis...

I'm also pure evil but that has nothing to do with what I eat.
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How do you get your protein? Do you eat Hitler?
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:17 AM   #42
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How do you get your protein? Do you eat Hitler?
Are you suggesting Hitler isn't a meat product? Is he somehow less than human - and therefore "not meat worthy" - because you disagree with his political leanings? I thought you were supposed to be open minded....
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How do you get your protein? Do you eat Hitler?
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:26 AM   #44
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I've got a real question now: If Hitler is Hitler, how did Hitler get his protein? Man can't eat himself!
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therefore he couldn't have be a vegetarian, thank you for proving my point
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