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Old 07-07-2009, 11:29 PM   #46
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:47 PM   #47
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I'm right behind the ALP all the way and I understand the need for immediate moderation and relevative conservatism to a degree. But there were other areas where they could have really shown themselves to be especially progressive without necessarily drawing the ire of swingers and the entire right. I refer to the emissions target of a rather meagre 5%. I'm by no means one of those fundamental green crusaders, but I just felt establishing a target of 10 to 15% at the very least would have indicated to the consitituency that the Rudd Government were hyper-serious in their commitment to addressing the issue of climate change. Many in the Aussie right wouldn't have really understood what the issue was all about anyway. It was an opportunity lost, in my opinion, and this moment has raised some skepticism amongst many in the Aussie left as to how fair dinkum the Rudd Govt is in being progressive (not leftist). That's not to say that they did the right or wrong thing in setting that specific target of 5%, but more so that they could have appeased both swingers and the moderate and very moderate right who hoped that the Rudd Govt would be more assertive in establishing progressive policy.

The climate change issue need not be 100% associated with the left, just because of the Greenie association; it's become something more populist in the past decade if anything, and that's why it might have been an opportunity to properly capitalise on the hope many people had in Rudd Govt.
Climate change is generally associated with the left though, as it's main opposition comes from the ultra-religious right who feel that weather and anything on the earth is god-created and that god will fix things before they get out of hand.

I agree with you on the Emissions target. I really do. I just think being openly progressive this early in a Government's life is suicidal with a fickle and sometimes 'backwards' constituancy.

Look at what happened to Keating. The man tried to revolutionise IR, Arts and culture, indigenous affairs, foreign affairs, the anti-monarchist movement, opening trade pathways into asia, superannuation... the list goes on. So what does the consitituancy do? Elect a fucking social hermit who still thinks it's 1955.

I'm not claiming for a second Keating was a saint, but he is at least having a popular renaissance now, where people are actually realising just how good he could have been.

Startling statistic re Keating/Howard:

Keating wanted to raise the compulsary super contribution from 9% to 15.4% of wages. Howard/Costello promised to match it as an election committment. When Howard/Costello broke that promise, it cost the AVERAGE Australian worker $300,000 a tthe end of their working lives.

In the end, of course I, they and erveryone involved in the Government believe in progressive (and leftist) social change. But realists also acknowledge that you can't effect any social change from opposition, and a conservative approach needs to be taken.

Howard took 10 years to be brave enough to float workchoices, and he, and all his collegues genuinely believed it was the right thing to do. The constituancy is fickle, and there is such a unique and delicate balance in Australia that 99% of the time, policy is directed to the swinging 14% of the population. 43% will always vote for you, 43% will always vote against you. You have to win the battle for the middle ground, and work on chipping away at your agenda.
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Seriously, Noel hating on U2......
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:08 AM   #50
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It's not even veiled anymore. Noel has shows on at Wembley, Noel doesn't want people to forget Oasis, Noel slags off someone in the media that will cause controversy, Oasis play their shows, the papers do the big "they be be arrogant, unconventional blah blah, but great show" article, Oasis disappear again.

I was a huge oasis fan until the last record. It is boring as batshit, and not even the strength of their all too familiar signature moves save them anymore
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Climate change is generally associated with the left though, as it's main opposition comes from the ultra-religious right who feel that weather and anything on the earth is god-created and that god will fix things before they get out of hand.

I agree with you on the Emissions target. I really do. I just think being openly progressive this early in a Government's life is suicidal with a fickle and sometimes 'backwards' constituancy.

Look at what happened to Keating. The man tried to revolutionise IR, Arts and culture, indigenous affairs, foreign affairs, the anti-monarchist movement, opening trade pathways into asia, superannuation... the list goes on. So what does the consitituancy do? Elect a fucking social hermit who still thinks it's 1955.

I'm not claiming for a second Keating was a saint, but he is at least having a popular renaissance now, where people are actually realising just how good he could have been.

Startling statistic re Keating/Howard:

Keating wanted to raise the compulsary super contribution from 9% to 15.4% of wages. Howard/Costello promised to match it as an election committment. When Howard/Costello broke that promise, it cost the AVERAGE Australian worker $300,000 a tthe end of their working lives.

In the end, of course I, they and erveryone involved in the Government believe in progressive (and leftist) social change. But realists also acknowledge that you can't effect any social change from opposition, and a conservative approach needs to be taken.

Howard took 10 years to be brave enough to float workchoices, and he, and all his collegues genuinely believed it was the right thing to do. The constituancy is fickle, and there is such a unique and delicate balance in Australia that 99% of the time, policy is directed to the swinging 14% of the population. 43% will always vote for you, 43% will always vote against you. You have to win the battle for the middle ground, and work on chipping away at your agenda.
Fair call on Keating, but we'll see with Rudd....

Though I do think that the issue of climate change has, to some extent in the past few years or so, lost it's hardline leftism, and the ultra-religious right is not as prevalent in Australia as it is in the Us of A.

Actually, twas funny to hear Senator Fielding undermining the severity and reality of climate change due to the lack of scientific proof. This coming from the God-botherer.
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Fair call on Keating, but we'll see with Rudd....

Though I do think that the issue of climate change has, to some extent in the past few years or so, lost it's hardline leftism, and the ultra-religious right is not as prevalent in Australia as it is in the Us of A.

Actually, twas funny to hear Senator Fielding undermining the severity and reality of climate change due to the lack of scientific proof. This coming from the God-botherer.
Haha, fielding is a joke!
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It's an opinion, not fact. I think NLOTH is a great album and miles better than DOYS.

I would liken Noels intelligence to a filthy street bum.
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