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Old 09-04-2008, 10:47 PM   #451
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How so?

it's Republican, but not obnoxious and nasty and sarcastic like last night.

it's a little dull, but inoffensive. he's saying things that reasonable people can disagree on, not mocking community organizers and pimping out a DS baby as proof of authenticity.
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now he's talking about people who have been left behind?

it's like he's totally alone in his own party.

which is probably a good thing, i guess.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:49 PM   #453
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perhaps he learned the all important lesson... you need to get the nomination first, then you can tell them all that they're a bunch of douchebags.
Very Machiavellian of him.
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it's Republican, but not obnoxious and nasty and sarcastic like last night.


Muuuuch better light cast on the Republicans tonight.
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it's Republican, but not obnoxious and nasty and sarcastic like last night.

it's a little dull, but inoffensive. he's saying things that reasonable people can disagree on, not mocking community organizers and pimping out a DS baby as proof of authenticity.
Gotcha. I can definitely agree with you. Do you think this could win over Independents? I'm sure some will go for him after this speech (duh, Independents obviously vote for both parties), but I can't really see a huge number jumping on the bandwagon, especially after the way he's run his campaign.
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boy, the crowd is just not as into McCain as they were for Palin.
That's what happens when you call out your own party. At times, you could almost sense people squirming in their seats.

I think he's doing ok with his speech, even if it is a bit boring.
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Very Machiavellian of him.
i think we all can agree that using the republican party to get nominated, then turning around and giving them the giant middle finger isn't a bad thing.


and i have to say that "i hate war" part of the speach will be repeated over and over and over again.
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Gotcha. I can definitely agree with you. Do you think this could win over Independents? I'm sure some will go for him after this speech (duh, Independents obviously vote for both parties), but I can't really see a huge number jumping on the bandwagon, especially after the way he's run his campaign.


i don't know. i'm honestly confused by this.

will the base turn out for Palin, and the independents for McCain?

i think that's the gamble.

but this crowd seems pretty bored. and it's same old same old Republican stuff, "parents vs. teacher's unions."
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The applause does seem rather light.
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if McCain goes down, at least he's taken this moment to be reasonable.
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i think we all can agree that using the republican party to get nominated, then turning around and giving them the giant middle finger isn't a bad thing.


and i have to say that "i hate war" part of the speach will be repeated over and over and over again.
True. I would love nothing more than to see the Republican party in its current state gone, but he can't really be too much of a "maverick" if he's only using certain rhetoric to get nominated and then turning around to bite the hands that feed him, so to speak. The end can't always justify the means. And he can't hate war too much, if he's willing to stay in the quagmire of Iraq 100 years and "bomb bomb Iran".
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Gotcha. I can definitely agree with you. Do you think this could win over Independents? I'm sure some will go for him after this speech (duh, Independents obviously vote for both parties), but I can't really see a huge number jumping on the bandwagon, especially after the way he's run his campaign.
if i had to venture a guess i would say that the majority of americans who do not consider themselves one party or the other don't start closely paying attention to the election until the conventions.
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The applause does seem rather light.
IS there a lot to cheer about on the straight talk express?

I think he is doing a great job, but it isn't horribly enthusiastic. Not a bad thing.
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i don't know. i'm honestly confused by this.

will the base turn out for Palin, and the independents for McCain?

i think that's the gamble.

but this crowd seems pretty bored. and it's same old same old Republican stuff, "parents vs. teacher's unions."
The base will turn out for the Republicans like they always do. I don't think the Independents really will. If he'd been the John McCain he used to be for this entire campaign, I think they absolutely would. But, he can't pander blatantly to the far right wing of his party like he has for this entire campaign process and then try to convince us that he's not politics as usual.
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He's an awful speaker but it is a pretty good speech in terms of content, I think.

I don't think this will change anybody's mind, but if he had kept this tone throughout the campaign as opposed to questioning Obama's service, patriotism and so on, he would have attracted a lot more independents in those crucial states.

One thing is for sure - everything that is reasonable and likeable about him today is in sharp contrast with the meanness, smugness and plain out unlikeability of Palin last night. I bet anything that the harsh focus group results about her would be absent tonight.
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