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Old 09-03-2008, 11:44 PM   #286
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My name has appeared in the local newspaper more than once, followed by community activist.

I know many community activist and organizers.

Not me or any of them ever thought we were preparing to be POTUS.

But the hockey moms of America should be apparently. *grrrrrrrrrrr*
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Why have Bristol, holding the baby, sit next to Cindy McCain? Why not the youngest daughter? Why not the girl's fiance? Why not SP's parents?
Wow. You should get some fresh air. You are reading waaay to much into this...

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Why mention--in the biggest speech of her political career--that her family has the same ups and downs as the rest of us...clearly referencing the pregnancy?
No... maybe she was just referencing ups and downs that all families face...

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Why use her son as an appeal to parents of kids with special needs?
I missed the first few minutes of the speech, so I must have missed when this happened. Nonetheless, I'm sure people who want to make something of it will make something of it.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:45 PM   #288
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Why have Bristol, holding the baby, sit next to Cindy McCain? Why not the youngest daughter? Why not the girl's fiance? Why not SP's parents?

Why mention--in the biggest speech of her political career--that her family has the same ups and downs as the rest of us...clearly referencing the pregnancy?

Why use her son as an appeal to parents of kids with special needs?
i was waiting for a post like this, no comment other than its nice it sometimes its nice to see a family before a village to raise a child.

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Old 09-03-2008, 11:46 PM   #289
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If your Mother is "conservative leaning" then why on earth did she not like this speech??????? Hey, it wasn't "I Have a Dream" but there was absolutely nothing in it that should have anyone claiming to be "conservative leaning" disliking it.
Shockingly, your opinion is not the end all be all of viewpoints. You may not be the expert on American politics you hold yourself to be. It probably doesn't help that you don't live here and don't deal with the same day-to-day issues that we Americans do. The kinds of issues that would give you context as to why an independent and, yes, conservative leaning person like my mother might disagree with a speech even if it's directed at conservatives and made by a conservative.
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So let me get this straight. You guys think nothing in this convention will be appealing to independents, but the total bashing of President Bush and the endless hyping of Obama and the shameless partisanship of the Democratic convention IS appealing to independents?

I expect nothing less from FYM.
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Actually.....

... they don't:

YouTube - Noonan and Murphy on Palin

this was before the speech try again.

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Old 09-03-2008, 11:49 PM   #292
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So let me get this straight. You guys think nothing in this convention will be appealing to independents, but the total bashing of President Bush and the endless hyping of Obama and the shameless partisanship of the Democratic convention IS appealing to independents?

I expect nothing less from FYM.
President Bush = 30% approval rating. Yes, Bush-bashing appeals to independents.
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i was waiting for a post like this, no comment other than its nice it sometimes its nice to see a family before a village to raise a child.

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Won't she, in reality, need to rely on the village if she's VP?
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So let me get this straight. You guys think nothing in this convention will be appealing to independents, but the total bashing of President Bush ....IS appealing to independents?
YES.

Are you missing the part where the entire country minus the far right 20% hates the man?
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:51 PM   #295
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But the most disgusting mockery was easily Guiliani's speech. He is dispicable. As is Romney.

I'd never vote for Huckabee, but at least the man made an attempt at respecting the other side and having a little class.
Agreed 100%. The mockery was ridiculous and cheap!
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So let me get this straight. You guys think nothing in this convention will be appealing to independents, but the total bashing of President Bush and the endless hyping of Obama and the shameless partisanship of the Democratic convention IS appealing to independents?

I expect nothing less from FYM.
I don't know what you were looking at but watching the convention tonight I saw the total bashing of Obama and the endless hyping of McCain and Palin and the shameless partisanship of the Republican convention. It goes both ways, they're conventions.
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So let me get this straight. You guys think nothing in this convention will be appealing to independents, but the total bashing of President Bush and the endless hyping of Obama and the shameless partisanship of the Democratic convention IS appealing to independents?

I expect nothing less from FYM.
Do you know what a convention is? You're criticizing hyping of Obama at the Democratic convention? Really? There wasn't hyping of McCain at the Republican convention? Is that right?

And there was partisanship on both sides, but only the Republican's was what I would call "shameless."

And, frankly, I think some bashing of Bush is warranted after eight years, and I think plenty of independents are fed up with Bush.
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There's a lot of non-FYM regulars posting in here tonight.

But really, it's all nothing less than what 2816 would expect of FYM.
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YES.

Are you missing the part where the entire country minus the far right 20% hates the man?
Well, by that factor alone, this convention IS appealing to independents. There have been many jabs at the pathetic Congress, which has a worse rating than the President...
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Obama bashing was way worse than the Bush bashing!
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