I definitely don't love the guy by far, and dont agree with a lot of things he says or does, but some of his comments about certain celebrities just bring out the lulz for me. Cant help it. Everyone has a different sense of humor I guess.
Perez Hilton Could Face Child Porn Charges For Miley Cyrus Photo
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corianderstem
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I'm guilty of laughing at mean celebrity snark on other sites, so I'm not going to sit here and shake my Finger Of Shame at anyone for going to him for gossip.
I just want him to fade away into obscurity, because I bet to him, that would be a fate worse than jail.
I just want him to fade away into obscurity, because I bet to him, that would be a fate worse than jail.
deep
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the guy has made a very good living off of cheap shots and nastiness
and yes, there have been gossip columnists forever
but,if he did publish this up - skirt shot, he should take his lumps
his defense? that she was wearing underwear, it just looks like there aren't any - does not hold up
if a person publishes a picture of a 20 year old
that is 90 pounds and is 4 feet 11 inches tall, flat chested female, that looks like a 12 year old.
they still get charged with kiddie porn.
and yes, there have been gossip columnists forever
but,if he did publish this up - skirt shot, he should take his lumps
his defense? that she was wearing underwear, it just looks like there aren't any - does not hold up
if a person publishes a picture of a 20 year old
that is 90 pounds and is 4 feet 11 inches tall, flat chested female, that looks like a 12 year old.
they still get charged with kiddie porn.
Moonlit_Angel
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Other females have done it, why be surprised if she followed the trend? I haven't seen the photo, I don't know if she did, nor, quite frankly, do I really care, but there's lots of women that walk around like that. Some may find it stupid, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
As for the issue at hand, I really don't pay any attention to Perez Hilton, I try to avoid all the celebrity gossip stuff because most of the people they talk about are people I really don't care about one way or another to begin with and because the shows and gossip sites are usually mind-numbingly dumb ("The Insider" wins the prize here as the most obnoxious one-good god, are they honestly for real with that show?). But I agree, so let's say Miley did dress that way and he knew she dressed that way. It's still no excuse to put her picture up online. It shouldn't have happened with Britney, either, and she was of legal age when she did it. The world doesn't really need to see that part of their bodies plastered all over the internet. The celebrities and the celebrities alone should decide what they want online. I don't know if I'd personally consider it "child porn", because it's not like he makes a "life" out of showing nude children all over the place or something like that, if that makes sense, but if that is indeed the way the laws work, then yes, he may want to be very careful about what he puts up down the line. Children in general need to stay out of the paparazzi's lens, though, I fully agree with that. They don't need cameras in their faces every day, and you don't know what kinds of psycho creeps out there could be noticing these kids and planning to do god knows what to them or their families. Demi Moore has a valid point there, Perez, sorry.
I'd also like to say that I'm really tired of the "slut/ho/whore" crap that the public tends to throw around in regards to female celebrities. Yes, because how you dress automatically determines your sex life, right? Way to be catty, people, especially about somebody you don't even know personally. Never hear guys get called any slurs for appearing naked or nearly naked in photo shoots or movies, never hear about them being called names for sleeping around with tons of girls. Nope. Just always with the women.
Angela
Yeah, this really bothers me on so many levels. Miley's automatically some kind of evil because she's no longer acting like a Disney cartoon. Really, people, Miley wasn't going to stay little and completely without sexual thoughts forever. People simply don't want to let child stars become adults. I am SO tired of people trying to beat the crap out of Miley because she went and grew up without permission. Really? Get over yourselves, people, and leave that girl alone. She's not required to behave in a certain fashion for you. She's young and experimenting with what she wants to do as an artist on her own. Be kind enough to let her.
As far as Perez? What a skank. He's an idiot. He's also funny sometimes, but really, we the public thrive on exactly what he does. We say what he says, so there's no need to get upset with him for putting out there exactly what most of us say in our living rooms anyway. I think he should just draw the line at celeb's children. Or underage celebs. Wait until they're adults and in the public eye, otherwise it's not funny.
As far as Perez? What a skank. He's an idiot. He's also funny sometimes, but really, we the public thrive on exactly what he does. We say what he says, so there's no need to get upset with him for putting out there exactly what most of us say in our living rooms anyway. I think he should just draw the line at celeb's children. Or underage celebs. Wait until they're adults and in the public eye, otherwise it's not funny.
Moonlit_Angel
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Thank you. Name me a 17 year old that DOESN'T have sexual thoughts or try to act "grown-up" and explore their sexuality and I'll be incredibly curious about how their hormones are working. And then of course the "she's a bad role model" argument. Last time I checked, she wasn't the parent of your kids, you were, so if what she's doing really bothers you THAT much then, um, turn off the TV? She's not responsible for how your kids turn out, quit expecting her or any other teen star to be the role model. That's what parents are for.
Angela
nathan1977
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Most, however, don't do it on the world stage. And most haven't been put on that stage by a fan base that is almost exclusively tween girls.
The question "am I my brother's keeper" is a rhetorical question, and the answer is "yes".
corianderstem
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It sounds like nothing is going to happen to Perez - I think I read the picture was actually a fake? Miley's camp isn't pressing charges at this time, and all that's happened is:
a) The View pulled an ad from Perez' site;
b) Miley said something like "it's just an idiot being an idiot" (Miley said something I agree with? Is that a sign of the apocalypse?);
and
c) Perez keeps opening his irritating mouth and whining about this that or the other thing. I guess he put out a statement, but the last thing I'm going to do is go to his site to find it to post. I'm not giving him the page-views he so desperately pines for.
a) The View pulled an ad from Perez' site;
b) Miley said something like "it's just an idiot being an idiot" (Miley said something I agree with? Is that a sign of the apocalypse?);
and
c) Perez keeps opening his irritating mouth and whining about this that or the other thing. I guess he put out a statement, but the last thing I'm going to do is go to his site to find it to post. I'm not giving him the page-views he so desperately pines for.
Moonlit_Angel
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True, most don't go through that in the public eye. And yes, she got popular because of the kind of fan base she had. But I think most of them would be mature enough and smart enough to know that just because she starts getting a bit more "grown-up" with her behavior, it doesn't mean they have to do it, either. Matter of fact, I remember back when I was a teenager and Britney started moving in that very same direction, some of the criticism came from other teenagers, people around the age Britney was when she did, for instance, the Rolling Stone cover.
If we were able to survive the fretting over Britney or Christina getting more adult as they went on, we can survive Miley, too.
I would disagree, I wouldn't say it's an automatic definite "yes". There are indeed times we should look out for one another and be aware of our actions, absolutely. But Miley dressing a bit provocatively isn't really one of those times, I don't think. She is not the babysitter for people's children. That is not her job. If I ever have kids, I will be responsible for them, not some musician or actor or athlete. They can be a fan of whatever celebrity they want to be a fan of, but when it comes to following the rules, I will be who they listen to. That's how my parents did it with me and my sister.
Angela
nathan1977
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I don't disagree -- this is why my wife and I allow our 6 year old to listen to Hannah Montana, but not watch the show. We don't want to have to explain why what she's doing is inappropriate, or why we used to allow her to watch the show but now don't. I am all for the idea that parents are the ultimate barometer of what their children watch/don't watch/see/don't see -- however, as a parent, it would be nice not to have to say no to watching a TV show because someday that innocent 13 year old is going to be a 17 year old who believes that the best way to announce her maturity as an artist is to take her clothes off.
Additionally, the whole notion that these are innocent kids exploring their sexuality doesn't hold much traction with me. This has everything to do with exploiting sexuality for the sake of selling product. Of course Team Miley wants our attention. Of course her did-she-didn't-she-lesbian-kiss was designed to titillate and provoke. Of course she wants to maintain her presence in the public eye. Lest we forget, she's got an album to promote, for pity's sake. I am, however, growing increasingly weary of using hypersexuality as the means to get that attention, and then complaining when people raise an eyebrow.
Not to mention that it's just plain gross. I don't need to know this kind of crap.
Moonlit_Angel
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I actually do agree with you on that aspect of it all. If the music's good on its own merits, you shouldn't have to resort to such gimmicks to get attention. And definitely, most of these girls are doing it because it gets them attention and sells their product. To which I'd reply, then we need to just start ignoring them altogether. If the public stops either enjoying or making a fuss over these desperate attempts at attention, then people won't feel such a need to do it anymore. But so long as it's selling and causing controversy, expect stuff like this to continue.
As for your child, certainly you are entitled to raise her however you wish and I understand your concerns. At the same time, however, why is listening not as bad as seeing? She's likely to eventually find out in some way what's up with her favorite singer nowadays (being at a friend's house who may be watching the show or watching something about her on TV, or hearing something about it on the news, or whatever), and eventually the questions will come up. But if she's 6 years old, I doubt she'd really care all that much or understand anyway even if she knew.
Your daughter's age does make me think of something somewhat related to all this, though, and this is just a general rant/commentary at large. I love how this country gets so up in arms when someone like Miley starts dressing sexy, I hear demand that she stop or people try and censor her, they talk about how she's too young to do any of that stuff or whatever. Meanwhile, no massive outcry over shows like "Toddlers and Tiaras" or "Little Miss Perfect". There are people out there who find those shows offensive and disturbing, yes (myself included), but I don't hear a big demand for those shows to be banned or public criticisms of the parents or whatever on a daily basis. A lot of people go watch that stuff and think it's "cute". How is that any better or more acceptable to people? At least Miley will be 18 soon. The kids in those shows have barely gotten through elementary school, if they've even started at all.
Angela
nathan1977
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I don't watch those programs, for the reasons you suggest -- have only seen one once in passing, and it was kind of like watching a car wreck. Perhaps there isn't an outcry because the context of those shows seems to leave no doubt in the mind of the audience that the parents of those kids are sad and scary. At least, that was the effect it had on me.
DrTeeth
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I just youtubed this to see what it was and I want those 30 seconds back kthxbai.
Moonlit_Angel
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That's possible. It certainly had the same effect on me (LOL, awwww, I'm sorry, DrTeeth, for that
. I only know about them from the clips I see on "The Soup", I've never actively sat down and watched an episode by my own choosing). I seriously think some of those parents (and the pageant organizers) are walking a very fine line of legal vs. illegal activity. It's creepy as hell. There are people who genuinely see no problem with this, though, for reasons I can't even begin to fathom.
Angela
I honestly think Miley doesn't owe anyone a 'perfect' anything. She's a 17 year old. She's going to screw up, get used to it. Yes, she's a celeb, but is that her fault or ours? I'd say that's our fault. And, really, why does this mean she can't go stupid for awhile, just because younger girls might be looking at her and considering what she's doing fun and interesting. rather than rigidly shutting her off and refusing to let your kids watch the show, the better conversation would be to simply explain that you don't approve of her current behavior. Remember, Hannah Montana is a fictional character. She's not real. Miley Cyrus is a real human being who isn't perfect. It's better to teach your kids the different between a fictional character and a real person.
And, really, none of what Miley does will have half as much impact on your kid as you think it does. She /might/ decide to copy her. But then again, she's six. She's as likely to copy you tomorrow. Because, oh, hai, Mom, She's Looking At You to inform her life more than she's Looking At Miley. They don't care nearly as much as adults do. the less fuss you make, the less inclined she'll be to wonder what you're talking about.
I remember my mother making no fuss whatsoever about me listening to Prince in all his raunchy glory as a kid. And the only thing about him I ever wanted to emulate was his singing and the whole 17 instrument thing. I wasn't even slightly interested in the rest (well, except for the hair. And some of the clothes. The no-butt chaps, however, was cause for much comedic impersonations with me and my brother. My mother thought it was very funny.)
I think parents worry so much they drive their kids right into what they don't want them to do, personally. You forget the first rule of childhood: The more you tell them not to, the more they want to. I can't tell you how many times I was told never to do x and heard, "I double-dog-dare you to do it."
And, really, none of what Miley does will have half as much impact on your kid as you think it does. She /might/ decide to copy her. But then again, she's six. She's as likely to copy you tomorrow. Because, oh, hai, Mom, She's Looking At You to inform her life more than she's Looking At Miley. They don't care nearly as much as adults do. the less fuss you make, the less inclined she'll be to wonder what you're talking about.
I remember my mother making no fuss whatsoever about me listening to Prince in all his raunchy glory as a kid. And the only thing about him I ever wanted to emulate was his singing and the whole 17 instrument thing. I wasn't even slightly interested in the rest (well, except for the hair. And some of the clothes. The no-butt chaps, however, was cause for much comedic impersonations with me and my brother. My mother thought it was very funny.)
I think parents worry so much they drive their kids right into what they don't want them to do, personally. You forget the first rule of childhood: The more you tell them not to, the more they want to. I can't tell you how many times I was told never to do x and heard, "I double-dog-dare you to do it."
Moonlit_Angel
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And then of course the "she's a bad role model" argument. Last time I checked, she wasn't the parent of your kids, you were, so if what she's doing really bothers you THAT much then, um, turn off the TV? She's not responsible for how your kids turn out, quit expecting her or any other teen star to be the role model. That's what parents are for.
Angela
Exactly!
Miley is 17 or 18 and those girls are 11 or 12 or 13, they're in different places regarding physical/hormonal development of course.
The idea that because she is in the public eye, she has to quell any sexual expressions whatsoever is more than ridiculous.
As you said about Britney and Christina, this is far from new. In fact, anyone remember Forrest Gump? Mom is walking Forrest through town and Elvis is on in some window. She grabs the kid and says "this is not for children's eyes!!"
Yes, that Elvis that your grandparents listen to and go and see impersonations of on Saturday nights!!
People said the same about Madonna, list goes on, and on and on and on..........................
In general, people are always claiming that society as we know it will end with this generation because of x, y or z and by the way, that goddamn famous slut__________________________(fill in the blank).
It is, in a word, B.S.
Thats not to say I would hold up Britney as the classiest gal in the world, nor would I want her a role model for my kids, but she's entitled to her sexuality so long as what she does isn't illegal.
As for what Devlin said, I agree 100%.
We are obsessed with don't do this, and don't do that and don't pay attention to Miley or whoever.
Guess what? Beyond the obvious of not breaking the law, of being polite and respectful to people, of always doing your best in every situation, my parents had no iron clad list of what to do and not to do.
There was never any "you'll be sorry if you do x, or wait until you see how miserable life is if you do y or God will turn a certain sexual organ blue and make it fall off if you use it before you're married."
Thats not to say there weren't things that my brother or I did that were unacceptable to them, like not telling them where we were once, or screwing off for almost an entire quarter in high school, as reflected on our report cards.(we were in driver's ed and interested in driving and nothing else at the time, didn't care, still had a 3.9 overall in high school)
I was never in trouble, never arrested, never came home later than they wanted me home, never drank at a friend's when I could have, etc.
Why? Because there was a mutual respect and trust based relationship between us, and I knew they both worked hard and tried to raise me right, so I really did not want to let them down.
I wasn't allowed to listen to gangster rap "f this, f that, shoot my n word" albums in 3rd or 4th grade, but my parents were not about to worry about some low class idiot like Britney Spears or Eminem affecting my decision making in my teenage years. Seriously, if you have to worry about what Britney is wearing or Eminem is writing affecting your 12+ yr old kids, then you are not a very good parent.
For those who do not know, I work security at concerts in the Boston area(it got me down at the stage for U2 in Somerville) and did a Miley Cyrus show back stage last October.
No joke, she walked right by me as I was talking to a co worker and asked in a flirtatious tone if all Boston boys "had nice accents like me."
Not going to lie, I turned beat red.
Though even the thought was wrong on so many levels.
We get in deep shi% for talking to artists before they talk to us or if they are clearly not receptive, and her personal bodyguard was right there so I didn't know what to say in response. He burst out laughing, so I felt comfortable saying "I think I sound horrible, but I'm flattered you like it and good luck tonight, Miss Cyrus."
No joke, she walked right by me as I was talking to a co worker and asked in a flirtatious tone if all Boston boys "had nice accents like me."
Not going to lie, I turned beat red.
Though even the thought was wrong on so many levels.
We get in deep shi% for talking to artists before they talk to us or if they are clearly not receptive, and her personal bodyguard was right there so I didn't know what to say in response. He burst out laughing, so I felt comfortable saying "I think I sound horrible, but I'm flattered you like it and good luck tonight, Miss Cyrus."
Perez put this pic up today.
Fill In The Blank | PerezHilton.com
Obviously I'm in the minority but wtf, she needs to put some more clothes on.
Fill In The Blank | PerezHilton.com
Obviously I'm in the minority but wtf, she needs to put some more clothes on.
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MrsSpringsteen
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I think she needs to put some more clothes on too-but I also think that was a rather obvious f you from him. He enjoys the attention.
nathan1977
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Oh Lord.
maycocksean
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Just out of curiosity, how many of us here in FYM are in the regular habit of "expressing our sexuality"? I'm guessing most of us treat that aspect of ourselves as something at least somewhat more private that we share with certain individuals that we choose, rather than anyone who happens to be passing by (or has a camera). Does that mean we're all a bunch of uptight individuals all shamed by our own sexuality? I doubt it.
It just occured to me as odd that somehow we're ending up defending to the bitter end someone's right to express their sexuality, when most of us tend to keep it more to ourselves.
I have no judgements against Miley Cyrus or anyone else. . .that's their perogative but I don't know that I feel that such a "vocal" expression of one's sexuality is something to be admired.
It just occured to me as odd that somehow we're ending up defending to the bitter end someone's right to express their sexuality, when most of us tend to keep it more to ourselves.
I have no judgements against Miley Cyrus or anyone else. . .that's their perogative but I don't know that I feel that such a "vocal" expression of one's sexuality is something to be admired.
Irvine511
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maycocksean
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every time i post.
I would disagree. In no way have you ever reduced yourself to your sexual orientation being the sum total of who you are. In fact you've always fought against being minimized in that way.
But that's not what I was talking about any way. I was talking about sexual expression not orientation.
(BTW:I recognize you weren't being entirely serious, but I just wanted to clarify myself anyway.
)
corianderstem
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That's a hard question, because how in the world do you define something that could mean any range of things from one person to the next?
Moonlit_Angel
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You raise a fine point and some excellent questions. I personally am not saying I admire or even agree with the way she lives her life-like I said early on in the thread, I don't know her, I don't have kids who would watch her, her life has no bearing on mine, so in the end I really honestly don't care if she dressed like a Puritan or dressed the way she is now, it's not my concern. I merely meant with that "expression" line that she's acting no different from how other young people have acted through the ages-dressing sorta provocatively, trying to prove she's "growing up", all that sort of thing. People may think it right, wrong, marketed, sincere, cool, stupid, whatever, and that's fine, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but it's nothing new, and that's all I really meant.
You're right, I'm personally very, very conservative with things relating to sex. That's how I wish to live my life. Some people, however, aren't, some people are awfully brazen and open about their sexuality. And on the one hand, I sit there and think, "I don't really need to know/see this, there is a thing called discretion and mystery", but on the other hand, I do find people like that kinda interesting. Of course it certainly doesn't mean that they're comfortable with sex and I'm not, but I guess given the way our culture at large seems to be really confused about sex and how open about it people (especially women) should be, it's always more interesting when someone's so "out there" with it. If that makes any sense.
Angela
maycocksean
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A fair point. For the sake of argument, we could limit it to the type of overt "expression" (if we can agree that's what Miley et. al are engaging in) we are discussing in this particular thread.
deep
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Irvine511
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it's true.
when you talk about going on dates, it's about buying tacos for college girls on Tuesday.
when i talk about dates, it's about behavior and acts.
/sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread ...
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