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Old 01-20-2008, 03:11 PM   #166
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The differences between the two faiths are night and day. Yet, they keep saying they're Christian. It's simply not true.
But your church isn't the only way to interpret Scripture, is it?
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:15 PM   #167
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No, it doesn't claim it is. That doesn't mean someone can't be wrong in interpreting it.
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:48 PM   #168
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That doesn't mean someone can't be wrong in interpreting it.
Now we agree.
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:53 PM   #169
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We do? Really?

Or are you taking what I meant and using it against me?
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:55 PM   #170
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Or are you taking what I meant and using it against me?
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Old 01-20-2008, 04:00 PM   #171
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But your church isn't the only way to interpret Scripture, is it?
Maybe I should've put it this way: No, it doesn't claim to be the only way (Mormonism does though), however, that doesn't mean it's not right and Mormonism is wrong in its interpretation of the Bible.
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Old 01-20-2008, 04:40 PM   #172
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, that doesn't mean it's not right and Mormonism is wrong in its interpretation of the Bible.
Of course not. They may indeed be wrong.

And so may you.
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I saw the whole video about Tom and the Scientology award and honor bestowed on him. Scary stuff. As they were saluting one another I got the feeling it is such a Nazi thing, the vibe just evil. It seems so cultish.
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Old 01-20-2008, 09:25 PM   #174
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Scientology and Tom Cruise TERRIFY me. I was reading an article in the paper about it yesterday. Cruise's lawyers are out there defending his right to have poeple believe that he may possess the qualities of the characters he plays. And as for scientology, my understanding of it it is that it is based on an evil space lord, and that you have to pay progressively larger and larger amounts of money to get to the next levels of 'enlightenment'. Apparently once you reach the top, you can 'move inanimate objects', 'control the minds of minor beings' and 'reach new levels of understanding'...but you have to pay $200 000 first.....Its commercialising religion. Ron Al Habeid (sp?) died a millionare, exploiting poeple's desire for spirituality... What kind of person believes in that? Katie Holmes must be as mad as Tom is...their poor poor child.....
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Old 01-20-2008, 09:59 PM   #175
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But your church isn't the only way to interpret Scripture, is it?
Apples and oranges. This entire conversation betrays a fundamental ignorance about Mormonism. The Latter Day Saints have another testament which they place equal or greater emphasis on than the Bible, a work which says that Jesus Christ was merely A Son of God. The Bible thus is not Scripture in the way that mainline Christians believe it is. Mormons can certainly believe whatever they want, but to deny the central role of Christ in Christianity, to augment the Bible with other works, and to declare their faith as true Christianity (when its fundamental principles sometimes serve as an outright contradiction of the Bible) is problematic in the extreme. We're not talking about differences in interpretation of the same texts; we're not talking about different denominations that have the same underlying value; we're talking about two completely different religions that despite some initial similarities (they both have a guy named Jesus!), on further review are fundamentally different.

ETA: Mormons interpret Biblical scripture in terms of what their own Bible says about it. Christians can only intrepret Biblical scripture in terms of what it says about itself.
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Old 01-20-2008, 11:24 PM   #176
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This entire conversation betrays a fundamental ignorance about Mormonism. The Latter Day Saints have another testament which they place equal or greater emphasis on than the Bible, a work which says that Jesus Christ was merely A Son of God. The Bible thus is not Scripture in the way that mainline Christians believe it is.
But why do you guys all give so much of a shit?
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Because mormons are tarnishing the good name of Christianity.
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There are a number of things that set Scientology apart from other belief systems that I would find cause for concern.

1. Keeping beliefs secret from many church members until they reach certain elite levels. (I've heard that such accusations have been made about my own demonination--disillusioned former Adventists complaining that they weren't told about the belief that one of our church's founding members was considered a prophet, but that is the fault of the people evangelizing them--not the church's official position. My church makes no effort to hide it's beliefs which sets it apart from Scientology).

2. Requiring people to pay increasing amounts of money to "progress" in the faith. Yes, many religions encourage and even require tithes, but none that I know of make regular payments so deeply contigent on practicing the faith. There are many members of my church who don't pay tithe even though they are "supposed to" and they are able to continue to practice their faith freely with the only pressure being the occasional non-specific sermon on "stewardship."

3. It's discouragement of questioning and authoritatrian nature. This is found in many versions of mainstream religion (and even in some churches in my denomination) but I find such attitudes wrong no matter where they pop up or how socially acceptable that group that promotes them.

As far as as "weird beliefs" go. . .that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. Anything that I don't believe seems "weird" to me and I recognize that there are elements of my faith that people might find bizarre. For example, we Christians have a comfort level talking about the "blood of Jesus" that I imagine many non-Christians might find a bit macabre.

I'll also, un-humbly concede, that I pretty much think I'm right the vast majority of the time--on whatever the topic happens to be. If we're honest, I think most of us--especially those of us here in FYM are that way. Ideally, though we are willing to accept the possiblity that we might be wrong, even if we personally doubt that's the case.
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Old 01-20-2008, 11:46 PM   #179
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Because mormons are tarnishing the good name of Christianity.
Yeah, that's pretty much it, if we're honest.

That, and the sense that Mormons are trying to minimize differences between themselves and mainstream Christianity in effort to win converts. A kind of "Hey, we're just like you. . ."when they really aren't. I suppose the argument would go--"Hey, make the case for your faith all you want but don't do it by trying to co-opt elements of ours."

But then again, I believe the claim of LDS is that they are the "True" Christianity and I don't suppose they can really be faulted for making that claim. That is their right.
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Old 01-21-2008, 12:45 AM   #180
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and all of this pointing out of the differences, and the differences somehow being more important than the commonalities, makes the skeptic think, "yes, they really are all exactly alike, especially when they talk about how different they *really* are from one another."

i never understood the point of arguing about religion, or at least it's individual merits. the whole, "Jesus *was* the son of God!" "no he wasn't!" "yes he was!" it always seemed pointless. i remember being shocked when i heard that there were people out there who hated Jews, that there was such a thing as anti-Semitism. even then, my young mind though, "geez, it's just religion, it's all kind of pretend anyway, why would you hate someone over that?"
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