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Old 01-31-2014, 10:26 PM   #826
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His guilt is not in any question, he premeditated to kill and maim as many people as possible, and I don't think he is pleading insanity. If his execution offers the families of the victims even a small degree of closure, I'm all for it.
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Beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "guilty for certain." The death penalty is an abomination.
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:50 PM   #828
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I will say that my biggest problem with the death penalty is it's finality, and the fact that money gets you out of a death sentence. Also being white.

The normal death penalty objections do to apply as much in a case like this. I do agree.

However, I see nothing gained by an execution, and it seems shocking that people who advocate a "culture of life" become so bloodthirsty at the drop of a hat.



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Beyond a reasonable doubt. Not "guilty for certain." The death penalty is an abomination.

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Old 02-01-2014, 02:57 AM   #829
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He'll also die a martyr. It reminds me of how Timothy McVeigh treated his execution. He was so satisfied to see all the reporters, officials and family members of the people he killed once he arrived in the chamber. His execution was like a sacrifice for his cause, at least in his eyes. No doubt this kid will have the same attitude.

Let's not give him that opportunity. Let him be locked away in a prison cell for good.
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Old 02-01-2014, 03:50 AM   #830
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Never thought I'd agree with Indy on something, but ah well. My views aren't very ethical on the death penalty, but to me, premediated murderers and rapists should be excecuted. Simply because society is better off that way, no risk of repeat or escape from prison, the victims have no fear of them returning to society, and it saves a fuckload of money from giving them life sentences.

I know it's not a very popular view, maybe I've become this way after seeing what it can do to a person, but yeah. I don't see why an asshole that has been raping a woman since she was a little girl deserves to be alive, when she's got the death sentence having to live her life with all the trauma and fear. That's just no justice.
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:00 AM   #831
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Perhaps some may find this ironic (I don't), but I'm a Christian, so I'm vehemently against killing/executing anyone for any reason. It's really not my place to make ultimate decisions about the lives of others, regardless of their crimes. Let them rot. And if the criminal justice system made a mistake (!?!?!), I'll sleep easier knowing the possibility to rectify that mistake is still open. This is, of course, a position regarding execution in general and not so much this instance, though my belief that a judge shouldn't be in control of absolute finality stands regardless.
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:19 AM   #832
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i'm completely against the death penalty. to me, at the very least it's a human being deciding to play god. who are any of us to decide when it's someone's time to die? murder is absolutely wrong, but it doesn't justify taking someone's life in return. that "an eye for an eye" crap is so old testament.
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Old 02-01-2014, 10:32 AM   #833
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Never thought I'd agree with Indy on something, but ah well. My views aren't very ethical on the death penalty, but to me, premediated murderers and rapists should be excecuted. Simply because society is better off that way, no risk of repeat or escape from prison, the victims have no fear of them returning to society, and it saves a fuckload of money from giving them life sentences.

I know it's not a very popular view, maybe I've become this way after seeing what it can do to a person, but yeah. I don't see why an asshole that has been raping a woman since she was a little girl deserves to be alive, when she's got the death sentence having to live her life with all the trauma and fear. That's just no justice.

It does not save money. The death penalty costs significantly more than life in prison.
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What strikes me about this guy is that he seems utterly unrepentant. He was reportedly blowing kisses to his relatives in court. If someone close to me had died by his deeds, the thought of him spending life in prison with a grin plastered on his face while reading his "fanmail" from female admirers would be galling to say the least. I'd want him to shit his pants as he was being led to the gas chamber. Vengeance isn't a pretty emotion, but sometimes it's the only one that matters.
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Did you ignore everything I said above? If you support the death penalty you're wrong. It's not hard. If you disagree, counter my arguments.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:11 PM   #836
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Perhaps some may find this ironic (I don't), but I'm a Christian, so I'm vehemently against killing/executing anyone for any reason. It's really not my place to make ultimate decisions about the lives of others, regardless of their crimes. Let them rot. And if the criminal justice system made a mistake (!?!?!), I'll sleep easier knowing the possibility to rectify that mistake is still open. This is, of course, a position regarding execution in general and not so much this instance, though my belief that a judge shouldn't be in control of absolute finality stands regardless.
This, to a T.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:54 AM   #837
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I'm normally against the death penalty, but like lemonfly said, if that's what the victims' families want, go for it.

I mean it's either off him now and don't give him the satisfaction of the ability to consciously exist or make him rot the rest of his life in prison (which effectively does the same thing).
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I'm normally against the death penalty, but like lemonfly said, if that's what the victims' families want, go for it.
I find this to be a bit of a strange attitude. Should victims also be determining other sentences? If a woman is raped, the judge or jury take into consideration of the totality of evidence and she can testify, but if she "wants" the guy to get more time than the judge is willing to dole out, so? In the criminal legal system, it is the government who seeks a sentence, not victims.
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I find this to be a bit of a strange attitude. Should victims also be determining other sentences? If a woman is raped, the judge or jury take into consideration of the totality of evidence and she can testify, but if she "wants" the guy to get more time than the judge is willing to dole out, so? In the criminal legal system, it is the government who seeks a sentence, not victims.
Surely I don't mean "if the victims request it" so much as I mean if they're not opposed to the death penalty that Attorney General Eric Holder has already requested.

I mean, that's what's on the table. It was never their decision though.
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Right, but in a case which affects this many people, there are many victims and many victims' families. So why does the opinion of those who support the death penalty among them matter more than the ones who don't?
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