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Old 02-23-2009, 06:06 AM   #16
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If the state is given such discretionary powers (to kick people out of the country without any appeal) then it will abuse them, just look at how the Howard government handled the Mohammed Haneef case.
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:59 AM   #17
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Something tells me that if we actually got the facts of all the cited cases here along with the judgments, they may shed different light on them than what the poster is suggesting...

Like this one:

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A burgular was given taxpayers money to sue the man who's house he has broken into! WTF!!
Sue him for what? On what grounds? What happened in this case?
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:16 AM   #18
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I don't know if this thread makes me laugh or cry...
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Something tells me that if we actually got the facts of all the cited cases here along with the judgments, they may shed different light on them than what the poster is suggesting...

Like this one:
Sue him for what? On what grounds? What happened in this case?

The burgular was beaten up by the owner of the house
He claimed that due to his injuries he had suffered a loss of earnings as he was unable to work
The burgular had been unemployed for years and had been in and out of prison yet sued the victim for a loss of earnings

Crazy
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:05 PM   #20
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The burgular was beaten up by the owner of the house
He claimed that due to his injuries he had suffered a loss of earnings as he was unable to work
The burgular had been unemployed for years and had been in and out of prison yet sued the victim for a loss of earnings
what a world we live in

This reminds me of Igancio Ramos and Jose Compean, jailed for 10 years, for shooting a fleeing drug smuggler in the butt.
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:43 PM   #21
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FOXNews.com - Arizona Rancher Who Stopped Illegal Immigrants at Border Now Fighting $32 Million Lawsuit - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

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An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals — seeking $32 million in damages — who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border, the Washington Times reported Monday.
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Well I don't think they should win the case, but I also don't agree with his tactics either... A simple phone call to the border patrol would have sufficed rather than holding folks at gunpoint, or "rounding" them up.
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:41 PM   #23
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They did win the case sorta...so we'll see more cases like this. Or maybe trespassers will just "disappear".

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-common-sense/
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In The Netherlands we also have issues of that kind. I can agree with your point that terrorists and criminals should be on the first flight back to their home country and that too much tax money is spent on illegal immigrants.

Concerning asylum seekers I think the government would do a better job in closing the borders for certain peroid of time in order to concentrate on asylum seekers and illegal immigrants living here now, instead of letting people in and chucking them out after 5 or 6 years! It sounds like a paradox, wanting to provide the right for these people to live a free and safe life on the one hand and stop them on the other hand, but that would be the only humane solution, I guess! It's people we are dealing with, not some bulk in a truck you can dump elsewhere after half a decade or so.
Asylum procedures take too long, people are given false hope because of that, children are born here or go to school here; they already started a new life and then they finally get the news they should leave the country...

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3) Any illegal immigrants should be deported - ZERO tolerance

4) Even if they are to be tortured in their homeland, its not the UK's problem - stick them on the first plane out and chuck them out with a parachute.

5) Taxpayers money is being wasted on these animals, it needs to be brought to an end.

6) I hope the TORIES repeal the use of this stupid act - we need to backdate the deportation of all illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers

UK is a soft touch, time to toughen up!


3) So you think that the government is not paying the plane tickets with your tax money? And who's going to pay for the tracking down of these people? Or do you rather want earnest British citizens to do the Gestapo thing and turn them in?

4) Every human being has the right to live a safe life. Do you really think they left their home country without a reason? Do you even have feelings or compassion with people whatsoever? Your point is a clear example of talking from another certain body part but your mouth!

5) Do you refer to the terrorists you mentioned in points 1) and 2) or other immigrants as well? Or all people with another skin colour than yours?

6) Tories?? Too ashamed to vote BNP?
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Well I don't think they should win the case, but I also don't agree with his tactics either... A simple phone call to the border patrol would have sufficed rather than holding folks at gunpoint, or "rounding" them up.
He was a little rough with them, but I applaud him for doing something about it. I mean, border patrol agents aren't going to treat them much differently.

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5) Do you refer to the terrorists you mentioned in points 1) and 2) or other immigrants as well? Or all people with another skin colour than yours?
Um, I don't believe he mentioned anything about race?
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Um, I don't believe he mentioned anything about race?
No, but someone referring to immigrants as animals......I want to know what on earth is on his mind!
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No, but someone referring to immigrants as animals......I want to know what on earth is on his mind!
A lot of brits are animals to
and i'm only referring to the bad apples when it comes to immigrants

the good ones should be allowed to stay if they behave - the others out
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Every time someone mentions immigration on FYM you are deemed a racist or a BNP sympathiser.
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A lot of brits are animals to
and i'm only referring to the bad apples when it comes to immigrants

the good ones should be allowed to stay if they behave - the others out
Okay, understood

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Every time someone mentions immigration on FYM you are deemed a racist or a BNP sympathiser.
When someone mentions immigrants+swearwords together people start wondering, yeah!!!
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Okay, understood



When someone mentions immigrants+swearwords together people start wondering, yeah!!!
More like 2+2 = 7
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