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Old 07-23-2012, 10:04 PM   #16
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Right, I see your points ( about the background checks not preventing the massare) but didn't this guy try to enroll in a gun club or something and the astute owner or manager noticed how odd his voice mail was and said no way and turned him away? So what if an interview much like a verbal test for school, was given for mental stability? But ofcourse there is always someone who will figure out how to fool people I guess. I don't know the answers... but what we have now is not working. At least put controls on purchasing bullets. I mean really... how many bullets do you need to shoot Bambi?
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Exactly. In my opinion, you can't stop a murderer from doing what he or she is going to do.
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There's a good article in the Disgusting thread that points out that, unfortunately, stricter gun laws are unlikely to prevent mass shootings like this one.
Neither of these are good reasons not to tighten gun laws.
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Can someone here who is pro-guns explain to me in what kind of fucking situation would an ordinary citizen need an assault rifle?
So that we can invade the Federal Reserve's building in Washington when they refuse to end their evil dictatorship by keeping us on fiat money.
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:29 AM   #19
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As I posted in the hugs thread, I personally knew of the people that were there. Unfortunately her boyfriend died in order to save her.

She's a friend of mine, and we went to the same school. Since it is a small school, it is certainly hitting home to a lot of us.
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I'm so sorry . Sending along my condolances.

That boyfriend is a hero.

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A guy from Maine was arrested today when he was speeding over 100 mph. He had a massive arsenal of weapons in his car and articles about Aurora and told them he went to Dark Knight Rises in Maine with a gun in his backpack. Then he was on his way to a former employer.
Oh, how comforting . Fucking hell.

I've not had any plans to see this particular movie-I'm sure it's quite good and everything, I'm just not a huge superhero movie type of person. But to all who are going to future showings (or hell, who want to go to the theater, period)...stay safe.

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Interesting question. Are we going to see metal detectors now at the movies? I wouldn't be opposed to it.
I don't know. Didn't seem to stop the guy at the Aurora theater, though. He was hanging out by the back exit at one point.

cobl, your question is mine. Apparently some people think they need to prepare for some big shootout with...someone soon. For something. They don't know what, but they want to be prepared, damnit! And second amendment rights, and stuff!

I don't get how someone is able to legally buy this crap. It's ESPECIALLY ironic that this guy could get a hold of so much ammunition in this post-9/11 climate legally without suspicion. Meanwhile, as Jon Stewart noted on his show tonight, 10 years on and we still can't bring bottles of shampoo onto an airplane. Something is horribly wrong with that picture somewhere.

As I said in the "Disgusted" thread, the most guns I think any civilian needs are a hunting rifle if they do that sort of thing, and a simple handgun, if they absolutely feel they need to have some sort of protection in their home. And that's it. There's no reason of any sort why anyone not in the military or law enforcement should need or want any other type of a gun.

No, we won't be able to stop every psycho out there from buying guns, but if less of them are available and less people have them, then there's going to be less mass shootings. And that sounds like a pretty good setup to me.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:29 AM   #21
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Neither of these are good reasons not to tighten gun laws.
I agree. But neither does this tragedy provide the strongest platform for arguing for stronger gun control laws. There are plenty of reasons we need stricter gun control laws.
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Neither of these are good reasons not to tighten gun laws.
They definitely don't seem very compelling from an Aussie or Kiwi perspective. The considerable tightening of Australia's gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996 certainly seems to have been effective.

Meanwhile, New Zealand (a small country, true, but the comparison still holds on a per capita basis) has, to the best of my recollection, experienced only two major massacres in the last hundred years: seven people killed in the Koiterangi Incident of 1941, and thirteen killed in the Aramoana massacre of 1990.

So either we're just more peaceful people, a claim laughable to anybody familiar with the violence of the Australian frontier, or our tighter gun laws work.
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Meanwhile, people ARE being banned from wearing costumes to the theater. So at least that threat is being swiftly dealt with!
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Interesting question. Are we going to see metal detectors now at the movies? I wouldn't be opposed to it.

It's way too easy for psychos to get a hold of weapons and guns made for warfare.

There's more of a background check for getting your drivers license. Why are gun fanatics opposed to this? ( background checks, passing a safety test) What's the problem?
Or putting controls on how many bullets or what type of bullets you can buy. What is the big freaking deal? This makes me so mad.
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There's a good article in the Disgusting thread that points out that, unfortunately, stricter gun laws are unlikely to prevent mass shootings like this one.
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Exactly. In my opinion, you can't stop a murderer from doing what he or she is going to do.
You can't stop whatever it is that triggered this person's thoughts on why or how to pull this off with any laws, but I do think there are steps that we could make as a nation to not allow the tools to shoot so many is such a short span in the hands of common citizens. Letting the assault weapon ban to be lifted was one of the dumbest steps backwards we've made in a long time. This amount of people killed and injured would be much less if it were conventional handguns or hunting rifles being used.
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Interesting question. Are we going to see metal detectors now at the movies? I wouldn't be opposed to it.

It's way too easy for psychos to get a hold of weapons and guns made for warfare.

There's more of a background check for getting your drivers license. Why are gun fanatics opposed to this? ( background checks, passing a safety test) What's the problem?
Or putting controls on how many bullets or what type of bullets you can buy. What is the big freaking deal? This makes me so mad.
I've thought about it long before Aurora- that the movie theater is one of the few public, crowded places post 9/11 with no metal detectors, no bag checks, and very little security. You're also basically stuck there in a dark place with a few exits that would be very difficult to use in that situation, if not impossible. In the theater I go to no one ever stays in the theater who is employed by them-they barely have enough staff to sell tickets during the week. At night it's better. I guess I just have to face the fear and go, the longer I put it off maybe the worse it will get.

A background check wouldn't have mattered, he only had a traffic ticket. And no known mental health record. That being said I don't see why any human being needs to own an assault weapon.
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As I posted in the hugs thread, I personally knew of the people that were there. Unfortunately her boyfriend died in order to save her.

She's a friend of mine, and we went to the same school. Since it is a small school, it is certainly hitting home to a lot of us.
I'm so sorry
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I find it odd when supporters of guns point out countries like Switzerland and what not having equal numbers of gun ownership but less shootings. In my mind that's because you have a more homogeneous population and likely a lot less social inequality. Social inequality being one of the great creators mental illness (though I know in many cases and in this case Mr Holmes is not from an underprivileged background).

The people who say it's not the fault of guns, all they are really implying is that your all just more violent than anyone else, which is just a bit dumb.
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I find it odd when supporters of guns point out countries like Switzerland and what not having equal numbers of gun ownership but less shootings. In my mind that's because you have a more homogeneous population and likely a lot less social inequality. Social inequality being one of the great creators mental illness (though I know in many cases and in this case Mr Holmes is not from an underprivileged background).
Not just mental illness. Social and economic inequality have a tendency to promote violence in other ways, too.
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Warner Bros. Will Donate Portion of Dark Knight Rises Proceeds to Aurora Shooting Victims

Though it would not say exactly how much it planned to donate, Warner Bros. is expected to contribute a "substantial" sum, according to sources.

The Hollywood Reporter says the studio will contribute to a Giving First fund that will distribute the money among several charities providing support for victims of the Aurora theater shooting and their families.

Warner Bros. initially declined to release dollar figures for TDKR's opening weekend out of respect for the victims, but it was eventually revealed that the film had grossed a record-setting $160.9 million.
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