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Old 05-20-2010, 09:04 PM   #46
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No-one's actually disagreeing with anyone in this thread, are they?

I mean there's kind of a false premise being set up that there's some great morass of hidebound bigoted right wing conservative religious nuts on FYM that would really hate the idea of women no longer in the first flush of their youth having sex for its own sake and actually, heaven forbid, enjoying it, but, really, it's sort of a straw man, because no-one's actually making that argument. And really none of the FYM regulars are bigots or religious nuts, as far as I can see, so what's the deal here.

Anyway where were all these "cougars" when I was young is what I want to know.
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:21 PM   #47
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Does anyone know where the term "cougar" originated? It seems like such a bizarre name. . .

Hmmm. . .I think we all know what the real debate is here, though we're all talking around it.

This is about nathan's religious beliefs that everyone knows is informing his sex-in-marriage only belief, a belief which, even though he has never said it, everyone knows he has.

I think it's a difficult stance to take today--especially because people tend to read so much into such a belief that may or may not be there.

I believe in sex only within marriage, but I can understand why nathan didn't want to get into discussing it, (irvine's declared interest in hearing more nothwithstanding)--I don't get the sense that any one is really interested in giving a fair hearing to why we believe this way. I think everyone believes they already know and have already concluded that it is benighted, sexist, judgmental, and intolerant.

If anyone WERE interested I would begin my explanation about why I believe in sex-only-within-marriage by pointing out that it's debatable whether the Bible even has anything at all to say on this topic. . .

But that's if anyone was interested. . . .
I didn't see your post before posting my above post. Speaking as a non-believer the biblical admonitions are not of much interest to me, but I could conceive of legitimate secular arguments being made in favour of committing oneself to only having sex within marriage and could probably construct one myself.

In fact, you've put your finger, whether intentionally or not, on what I find slightly unappealing about the direction of this thread at times, this idea that seems to be in the air that merely holding as a belief in one's value system that sex before marriage is wrong nails somehow someone as a RW religious bigot. To put it another way, that if you don't agree that sex is always and everywhere 'a good thing' there must be something wrong with you.
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:31 PM   #48
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Gah, never mind. I've spent 5 minutes trying to type out a response to financeguy's comment and am failing miserably.

It had to do with a society that judges female sexuality, and the unsurprising knee-jerk reactions when faced once again with the "traditional" face of it.

Or something.
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I tend to agree with that last post.
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Oh, fuck me. The last financeguy post. Is what... yeah.
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:35 PM   #51
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I'm sorry, I knew I shouldn't have put that hot mess of a comment out there.
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I have no huge objection to your comment edited or unedited, it just turned up when I was posting and rendered my rather redundant post ambiguous.
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:39 PM   #53
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I know. I didn't edit because it was anything objectionable, I just couldn't get it to make any sense. Lost in translation between my brain and the keyboard.
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I'm very confused at this point.
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Then my work here is done.

Carry on.

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Then my work here is done.

Carry on.



*sigh* it's kind of nice to be back in FYM.

Though I know now one reason why I've been away. It's much harder to drop in, read the latest posts, put up a post of my own and be on my way as I do in the TV threads over in Zoo Station. FYM takes time and with a toddler, a full time job, and a masters degree in progress that's something I don't have a lot of. But summer's coming, so I expect I'll be in here more often in the weeks to come.
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It had to do with a society that judges female sexuality, and the unsurprising knee-jerk reactions when faced once again with the "traditional" face of it.
How would my choice be construed as a judgment of female sexuality?
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Well, since Diemen's interested. . .may be I'll give it a go. Should I start a thread entitled "Ask the Man Who's Only Had Sex with One Woman in His Life"?


should you start it ... or should i?
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No, no, that's not what I meant. I'm still thinking about the point I was trying to make, but still haven't come up with a good way to put it. But I wasn't saying your personal choices were judgemental.
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should you start it ... or should i?

Ha! Touche!

Maybe we should start it jointly!

:virtual hugs all around:

dang, it's good to see you guys again!
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