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Old 02-22-2014, 01:55 PM   #91
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what about "one"?

"One" would be fine with me if its use were more widely accepted.
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Old 02-22-2014, 02:04 PM   #92
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I thought you meant the word "it" at first and I was like.... That would go over terribly, lol.

I don't know why it took me forever to learn this, but I actually just learned the Japanese pronouns for male and female a couple weeks ago... I've only been studying Japanese on and off since 2002. You'd think this would've come up before.







And risk sounding like a total douche?
I meant the word it actually.
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And if U2 EVER did Hawkmoon live....and the version from the Lovetown Tour, my uterus would leave my body and fling itself at Bono - for realz.
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Old 02-22-2014, 02:41 PM   #93
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Haha, oh! Calling someone an it is usually an insult, at least in U. S. English.

It's very cruely thrown at transgendered individuals, for example.
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:11 PM   #94
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Ah, well I guess you could perceive it derogatory a bit, but it usually isn't like that here.
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:13 PM   #95
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"They" used as a singular grates on my English-major nerves.

I'd like to see "one" get more usage.


Also, how does using words in English correctly make one a Leftist/feminist? And why is it a bad thing to be a Leftist/feminist?
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:20 PM   #96
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It isn't specifically that, it's just doing whatever INDY disagrees with that makes you Leftist or a Feminist.
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:34 PM   #97
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That actually makes much more sense.

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We also have different words for the, not as bad as the gazillion German versions though.
hey, there's not a gazillion, only six!

(not including indefinite articles, article endings...)
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hey, there's not a gazillion, only six!

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Pfsh German is a nightmare.


At least it's not Finnish.

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Old 02-23-2014, 03:37 PM   #100
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I'm curious what the distinction is between the personal level and a broader level that allows one to publicly decry as a larger group individuals who you would empathize with one on one.
Everyone is deserving of respect and compassion on a micro or personal level but society needs to be able to discuss issues on a macro level. Of coarse you don't shun a family member or close friend if they choose to drop out of school, suffer from substance abuse, become a single parent or other things that as a society we should continue to discourage or attach stigmas to.

You might think you're being compassionate for excusing or ignoring the cost to society but you're actually just increasing the chances of more and more individuals suffering the hardships and pathologies of these type decisions.
Society need not be made to accommodate the internal sexual confusion of so few and certainly should not add to the confusion by condoning the abolition of the idea of male and female as two distinctive sexes or promoting the idea of subjective genders.
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No, it isn't. That's not the consensus in the cientific community and that's not what the American Psychological Association thinks. What is believed and taken as true is that sexual orientation has origin in a mix of factors: biological, psychological and social. It is believed that genetics may influence the predisposition towards one specific sexual orientation.
I agree with you completely, but I wouldn't bring this up in the same-sex marriage thread. They will tell you that SSM should be legal because gays have no more control over their orientation than blacks do over their pigmentation.
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While there is a rain delay in Daytona a little satire (while it's allowed) about Facebook jumping down rabbit hole of unlimited genders.

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Check Your Privilege, Facebook! Social Media Giant Slights Members of 51st Gender
By Alec Torres
February 13, 2014

As Patrick Brennan recently discussed on the Corner, it’s getting harder to know how to refer to another person’s gender(s). Now, Facebook is making it even harder.
The Associated Press recently broke the news that Facebook now offers users a customizable gender option with about 50 different gender-identifying terms people can use to describe themselves along with three separate pronoun choices: him, her, or them.

The grammatical debate over the application of the plural pronoun “them” to a singular subject aside, it’s a sad sign of the times that Facebook excluded whatever the 51st gender descriptor is, thus committing a hate crime against the dozens of people who probably describe themselves with said descriptor.

How dejected — nay depressed — must flexual people feel knowing that Facebook now accepts cisgender females, Trans*Men, and Trans*Males (don’t worry, the distinctions elude me, too) but not them and their girlfag peers.

Or what of all the trigender people who find out that Facebook will let one choose up to “bigender” but not beyond. They must be at least a third as offended as the flexuals.
(For a necessarily incomplete list of possible gender identities, please see the website genderqueerid.com. If you feel you identify with none of the terms on the list, the website is most likely phobic of whatever you may be.)

The changes Facebook introduced cover only users in the U.S., most likely because it’s hard to translate “genderqueer” and “transsexual female” into Kiswahili.

“There’s going to be a lot of people for whom this is going to mean nothing, but for the few it does impact, it means the world,” said Brielle Harrison, a Facebook engineer who is currently changing gender from male to female. Harrison says that Harrison is going to use the new options and change Harrison’s Facebook identity from female to transwoman. (My apologies for the multiple “Harrisons”. I was unsure of the correct pronoun for those who are born male and becoming female while also changing their gender identity from female to transwoman.)

For all the slighted genders, Facebook continues to offer the option to denote no gender or to choose “neither” or “other.” However, some are worried that choosing “neither –” thereby saying you do not apply to either of two options — implicitly favors the traditional male-female binary so overwhelmingly insensitive to the infinitude of other genders.

For the time being, those “others” whose gender descriptors are still not formally recognized by Facebook will continue to exist as second-class users, segregated from mainstream Facebookdom.
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I think there is another option with this whole Facebook thing, which is simply not to ask what someone's gender identification is. I understand that such identification is important to many people, but we could look at everyone simply as people rather than needing to break down a potentially infinite number of gender descriptions.
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You refuse to use precise language on principle?

The problem (one problem) is that we are not all born either male or female. There's a small but very diverse population of intersex people who are born with varying combinations of physical bodies and genetic sex who are not strictly speaking one sex or the other, so it's easy to see that gender and sex are not identical. Further, what's classed as "male" or "female" characteristics vary so much over time and culture that there is no firm, permanent way of "acting male" (or female, what theory wonks would call gender performance) that we can clearly tie to biological sex. And you only have to look at the epithets people throw at gays and gender nonconformists to know that there are LOTS of ways that someone who has a body of one biological sex can fail to "be a real man" or "real woman." Gay men are fags, not real men, ect. and women like Hilary Clinton or Lady Gaga are often speculated to really be men somehow. (Doesn't she have a penis under there? She's unnatural.) So how can we discuss these variations and complications without using language that differentiates gender expression from physical bodies?
Because no matter how hard one wishes it they cannot change their sex. I'll go with medical science over psychology and feminist gender-theory on this matter.

As a society we should not be encouraging these fantasies but should instead be compassionately helping individuals cope with their issues of gender.

Should we pretend a human can become a cat or lizard through body modification and self-delusion?

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Because no matter how hard one wishes it they cannot change their sex. I'll go with medical science over psychology and feminist gender-theory on this matter.

As a society we should not be encouraging these fantasies but should instead be compassionately helping individuals cope with their issues of gender.
What do you make of individuals with Turner Syndrome (XXX), Klinefelter Syndrome (XXY), XYY Syndrome, or one of the tetrasomies (like XXXY, XYYY) or pentasomies?
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