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Old 01-12-2012, 09:00 PM   #121
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You mean like Muhammad Ali used to give praise to Allah after each of his fights? And he was only named Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Decade. And aren't American athletes who legally change their name to a Muslim name literally putting their faith on the back of their jersey?


yeah, Muhammad Ali wasn't controversial at all. lol.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:02 PM   #122
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wow, we're really comparing a guy throwing a touchdown to a miracle? really?
Have you seen any of Tebow's passes?
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:24 PM   #123
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yeah, Muhammad Ali wasn't controversial at all. lol.
True but there's many reasons for that including his association with Malcolm X, his refusing to go to Vietnam (before the war became unpopular) and his trash-talking (before everyone started trash-talking to the point that Tim Tebow's humility and humbleness is the oddity).
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I don't think you can compare Ali's Islamness (I know that's not a word, but I'm blanking on the appropriate choice) back then to if an athlete did it today. There wasn't quite the ZOMG MUSLIMS public panic like there is these days.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation, which is entirely possible.
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True but there's many reasons for that including his association with Malcolm X, his refusing to go to Vietnam (before the war became unpopular) and his trash-talking (before everyone started trash-talking to the point that Tim Tebow's humility and humbleness is the oddity).
I'm so much more important than other athletes that God wants me to win.

Yeah, so humble...
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I'm so much more important than other athletes that God wants me to win.
Yeah, that's exactly what Tebow thinks.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:48 PM   #127
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like i said, i don't care much about football, and this Teabow fellow is a bit obnoxious about the anti-choice thing -- "don't have an abortion even if having the baby will likely kill you! you could give birth to a professional quarterback!" -- but other than that seems like the rare professional athlete who isn't a horrible person.

what's interesting to me is, 1) what if he were Muslim (or something else unpopular), and 2) how Christians are as hungry for role models as anyone else and will overpraise "one of their own" just like anyone else from any other community.
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I'm so much more important than other athletes that God wants me to win.

Yeah, so humble...
Yeah, that reaction is bullshit, at least judging from Tebow's own words. If you want to extrapolate a sense of entitlement from the fact that Tebow prays, well, be my guest. Sounds like you're looking for a flaw that isn't there, just like everyone else.

I'm sure Tebow fights dogs or something on the side, but there's no reason to judge him prematurely.
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Yeah, that reaction is bullshit, at least judging from Tebow's own words. If you want to extrapolate a sense of entitlement from the fact that Tebow prays, well, be my guest. Sounds like you're looking for a flaw that isn't there, just like everyone else.

I'm sure Tebow fights dogs or something on the side, but there's no reason to judge him prematurely.
What?! I think you and 2861 misunderstood me. This has nothing to do with prayer. The man plays football, and he plays against other Christians, right? So why think that God would choose a side? It's a game. When you attribute a win to God then you're attributing a choosing of sides, correct?
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I don't think you can compare Ali's Islamness (I know that's not a word, but I'm blanking on the appropriate choice) back then to if an athlete did it today. There wasn't quite the ZOMG MUSLIMS public panic like there is these days.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation, which is entirely possible.
You'd be wrong if you think a black athlete speaking his mind about race, war and religion in the mid-sixties didn't attract public panic some attention.
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What?! I think you and 2861 misunderstood me. This has nothing to do with prayer. The man plays football, and he plays against other Christians, right? So why think that God would choose a side? It's a game. When you attribute a win to God then you're attributing a choosing of sides, correct?
I don't believe he specifically attributes victory to divine intervention, but he thanks God after wins because he personally was able to play at a high level. Kurt Warner did the same thing throughout his career but for whatever reason got less flack for it; rather than praising God for giving him a Super Bowl ring, he said "thanks, God, for helping me do what I do." Radically different statement from "hey, God, really dope of you to help us beat the Raiders!! Good hustle out there!" It's a lot less entitled.
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Warner had two things that kept him more under the radar (other than everyone being all like, wait, not the Penn State running back?): one, he wasn't nearly as popular in college (nor as successful), and more importantly with two, he could actually throw the ball, so his success could easily be attributed to his ability as a pocket passer.

Tebow's success is unsustainable, unless there truly is divine intervention at play. He has had great fortune this season. He played some really beatable teams in the regular season, happened to be in a division where his team could go 8-8 and make the playoffs, and then got a thoroughly injured Pittsburgh defense this past week. He was able to beat them with about four good passes.
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Kurt Warner did the same thing throughout his career but for whatever reason got less flack for it
Only because our attention was diverted to him blowing kisses to Zuul at every game
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2) how Christians are as hungry for role models as anyone else and will overpraise "one of their own" just like anyone else from any other community.
Which is strange, 'cause isn't there something in the Christian faith about "false idols" and that sort of thing?

My mom hates the Patriots/Tom Brady (so did my dad), so our family's not going to be paying any sort of attention to that game this weekend. But, you know, go, team! Or something.
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