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Old 01-16-2012, 08:37 PM   #211
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I fully agree, Sean. I've always said that pro-choice means just that: pro-choice. I don't care if a woman has an abortion, keeps her baby, or gives it up for adoption. Whatever choice she makes, I don't feel it's my place to tell her she can't go with that option. She must do what is right and safe for her and her unborn/baby.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:41 PM   #212
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I fully agree, Sean. I've always said that pro-choice means just that: pro-choice. I don't care if a woman has an abortion, keeps her baby, or gives it up for adoption. Whatever choice she makes, I don't feel it's my place to tell her she can't go with that option. She must do what is right and safe for her and her unborn/baby.
I don't think you'll find anyone who is pro choice who would disagree with that. It's not the issue we have with the ad.
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Eh, that's the "message" of any celebrity endorsement, if you believe that's what the message is.

I haven't seen the ad so I can't say whether the suggestion is that her decision was especially good because of who he turned out to be. (And even so that trope is not unheard of in pro-life arguments: What is Famous Person X's mother had an abortion then we would never have had Famous Person's Accomplsihment. Who knows if we might be aborting the person who cures cancer blah blah blah. Aborted fetus could also be a future ax-murderer but I'm pretty sure that who the fetus might turn out to be is in all honesty incidental to most pro-life proponents) It could also be argued that he's simply saying here's a famous face to put to a story of a situation that many women have to face.

I don't know. No one's convinced me that the outrage is called for.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:44 PM   #214
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I don't think you'll find anyone who is pro choice who would disagree with that. It's not the issue we have with the ad.
It's not?

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But one is marketing a weight loss product. The other is marketing the concept that you should ignore your doctors when they say you might die.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:50 PM   #215
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Well I can't speak for Peef (though I think you might be extrapolating a bit from his comment), but my issue with the ad is that they're quantifying human life; that aborting Tebow would've been a bigger disservice to the world than aborting Boxcar Willy. What the child accomplishes when they grow up shouldn't enter into your decision. It's a nonfactor, really, and just a cheap appeal
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I don't think you'll find anyone who is pro choice who would disagree with that. It's not the issue we have with the ad.
Oh, yeah, I know what your issue with the ad is, and don't disagree on that.

I was just noting that I agreed with Sean on the whole "pro-choice" stuff, too.
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:07 PM   #217
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:14 PM   #218
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Well I can't speak for Peef (though I think you might be extrapolating a bit from his comment), but my issue with the ad is that they're quantifying human life; that aborting Tebow would've been a bigger disservice to the world than aborting Boxcar Willy. What the child accomplishes when they grow up shouldn't enter into your decision. It's a nonfactor, really, and just a cheap appeal
I guess I should go watch the ad first before commenting further.
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Unless, you're suggesting abortions when the mother's life/health is at risk be made compuslory, I think Tebow's mother made the choice/took the risk that she felt comfortable taking. It was her body, her life at stake. Isn't that the very defintion of choice?


absolutely. very well put.

it's just the Teabow's thinking they know what's best for everyone that irks.
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The key word in here is CHOICE.

Those "I chose to have my child" messages coming from pro-life organizations/people are ironic to me.

My response to that commercial at the time was: Yes, isn't it wonderful that you had a choice? That you were able to weigh your options, their repercussions and the risks and make the decision according to what was best for you?

I didn't take issue with it because of the "I could have aborted a future QB" aspect.
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It might be worth remembering who didn't have a choice, who didn't have a say in the decision.
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It might be worth remembering who didn't have a choice, who didn't have a say in the decision.
you're right, i hate when some 16 year old girl gets knocked up and is forced to drop out of school or repeat a year because her parents won't let her even consider having an abortion.
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It might be worth remembering who didn't have a choice, who didn't have a say in the decision.
Yes, but if you were to wait for that clump of cells to develop into a human being who can make thoughtful decisions, then that's, like, the 81st trimester.

No way are those ever becoming legal.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:18 PM   #224
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Yes, but if you were to wait for that clump of cells to develop into a human being who can make thoughtful decisions, then that's, like, the 81st trimester.

No way are those ever becoming legal.
All I'm saying is when Mark Zuckerberg figures out how to get fetuses hooked up to Facebook let's just see how many of them "like " Planned Parenthood, NARAL, or Roe V. Wade.
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Yes, but they'd also "like" Justin Bieber, so you can't really trust them with big decisions.

(I'm being flippant because it's easier than delving into yet another exhausting and upsetting abortion argument when neither side will ever change their minds.

So I'll just add that regardless of whether or not I could ever personally make that decision, I would prefer that the government, whether at the state or federal level, not have control over my body.)
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