BBC: What Happened to Global Warming?

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You guys will be happy to know that I'm taking a class about energy usage this semester! I should be quite knowledged on the subject by the end.

Tell the instructor that alternatives that don't damage economic growth will be met with enthusiasm. :hug:

That's a pretty good summation which makes up for your excessive verbiosity. I sometimes think it's another Y2K farrago.

It's starting to spread to NASA now.

YouTube - MORE CLIMATEGATE!? US Govt. agencies involved in Data Manipulation FRAUD! NASA, NOAA, AND MORE
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By 1990 cold thermometers start suspiciously disappearing. :huh:

Here's James Hansen in 2003:

Can we defuse the global warming time bomb?

Summary of opinion regarding scenarios

Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision-makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue, and energy sources such as "synfuels," shale oil and tar sands were receiving strong consideration. Now, however, the need is for demonstrably objective climate forcing scenarios consistent with what is realistic under current conditions. Scenarios that accurately fit recent and near-future observations have the best chance of bringing all of the important players into the discussion, and they also are what is needed for the purpose of providing policy-makers the most effective and efficient options to stop global warming.
 
Or alternatives with the only economic damage to industries with lobbyists being equaled out by growth in new, budding energy industries.

I have no problem with competition, but it truely has to be competitive. I'm sure most people on this board want 100% renewable energy security as soon as can be accomodated.
 
I no longer believe in Global Warming. Not only have I just go rid off my chilblains but have you heard of that research centre in Anglia England where they've deliberately tempered with results and failed to telll us of parts of the Antartic where ice is thickening.

And if Global Warming is happening shouldn't we be encouraged to use public transport by making it cheaper and more efficient? So why does a trip by train to Exeter that should only take an hour by car, takes me 1 and a half hours with a 45 minute wait at Taunton. I can't drive.
 
I no longer believe in Global Warming. Not only have I just go rid off my chilblains but have you heard of that research centre in Anglia England where they've deliberately tempered with results and failed to telll us of parts of the Antartic where ice is thickening.

And if Global Warming is happening shouldn't we be encouraged to use public transport by making it cheaper and more efficient? So why does a trip by train to Exeter that should only take an hour by car, takes me 1 and a half hours with a 45 minute wait at Taunton. I can't drive.
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Human nature will never allow humanity to act en masse to stop creating climate change... we are an inherently competitive species, and expansion is something we inherited via evolution. It may be competitive to stop climate change. The problem is, never before in the laws of evolution has a species faced barriers to getting new resources (climate is a resource) as great as the laws of physics themselves... it is essentially impossible to go beyond this planet for new resources. The climate change may be the first time in our biological line where conservation is more necessary for competition than rapid expansionism. When, on a local level, a species has run out of resources, it has gone extinct, and then they become at best a footnote of biological history.

Is such a fate inevitable for humanity, or are humans truly sentient enough to overcome the laws of biology that have always caused extinction in the past? I speak not here of only climate change anymore, but of other inevitable resources struggles yet to come. Keep in mind for how many thousands of years humans thought they were doomed to die off tomorrow. Perhaps self-interested prudence more prevalent in humanity, when necessary, then it is showing itself now? If not, can "sentience", a product of evolution, overcome human nature, also a product of evolution?
 
Steve Janke: More unsettling science in the global warming camp - Full Comment

An increase in atmospheric water vapor is responsible for at least a third of the average temperature increase since the early 1990s, say scientists at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Susan Soloman, the respected climate scientist who lead the research, says that this finding does not undermine man-made global warming theories. "Not to my mind it doesn't," she said. Soloman did point out that the research does allude to human emissions having a much smaller role in climate change than previously thought, and serves as a warning to climate modelers who "over-interpret the results from a few years one way or another." Despite Soloman's personally held belief, the NOAA study is expected to give further ammunition to climate skeptics working to draw public attention to perceived flaws in man-made global warming theories.


Water vapour caused one-third of global warming in 1990s, study reveals | Environment | The Guardian

Solomon said it was not clear why the water vapour levels had swung up and down, but suggested it could be down to changes in sea surface temperature, which drives convection currents and can move air around in the high atmosphere.

She said it was not clear if the water vapour decrease after 2000 reflects a natural shift, or if it was a consequence of a warming world. If the latter is true, then more warming could see greater decreases in water vapour, acting as a negative feedback to apply the brakes on future temperature rise.
 
What about lack of snow in Vancouver for the Olympics?

The Washington Times
Originally published 07:01 p.m., February 8, 2010, updated 07:31 p.m., February 8, 2010

EDITORIAL: Snowmageddon is nigh

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

As Washington digs itself out from under the Snowpocalypse, the region braces for yet more flurries. At least 18 inches of snow lie on the ground at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, and some places were blanketed under as much as three feet. More arctic blasts this week could drive 2010 into the history books as the capital's snowiest winter ever.

The news must send chills up the spines of global warming adherents, for whom this winter has been marked by discontent. Several of the movement's high priests have been exposed as charlatans. The famed "hockey stick" chart - cited as indisputable evidence that the planet has been warming for a century owing to carbon emissions - was exposed for fraudulently doctoring data to "hide the decline" in global temperatures. When the the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warned that glaciers were melting as a result of the selfishness of mankind, the claim turned out to be a complete fabrication.

The left now must dig itself out from under more than just snow. Public acceptance of a massive cap-and-trade scheme to control carbon emissions diminishes as neighborhood snowdrifts climb ever skyward.

Of course, those who question the dire predictions of catastrophic warming still will be mocked as rubes by the liberal elements of media and academia. But the left's battle to win the hearts and minds of the masses has been forever lost by the extravagance of the doomsday cult's own weather-related predictions. Conjuring imaginary climate-change hobgoblins to advance a public-policy agenda only works as long as Mother Nature plays along.

This isn't the first time that climate hysteria has been used in this way. A debate raged more than 130 years ago over the idea of digging a Panama canal. Some opposed it on honest grounds of protectionism and opposition to free trade. The March 7, 1876, edition of the New York Times took a different approach, proclaiming that the canal's merging of the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans would cause the "immediate disappearance of the Gulf Stream" with catastrophic results. "The valleys of the St. Lawrence and the Thames would be filled with enormous glaciers, and the coasts of Ireland and England would be inhabited only by wandering Esquimaux, seals and Polar bears," the Gray Lady proclaimed. "London would slowly disappear under a mountain of snow and ice."

By the time the canal opened in 1914, the predictions had long since been forgotten. The igloos have yet to make their permanent appearance in Great Britain. Over the ensuing century, the apocalyptic visions have gyrated from hysteria over extreme warming to a coming ice age and back, always in service of a big-government agenda. With naked socialism largely vanquished in the intellectual arena, global warming seemed to be the ticket that could drive the public into the open embrace of more government control.

Those who value freedom should thank Mother Nature for her sense of humor, undermining the case for global warming one flake at a time. So although we're quite tired of shoveling, we say, "Bring on the blizzard."
 
If heat waves and cold waves can all be attributed to Climate Change,

well then, the climate lobby is pretty clever :hmm:
 
Hot Air � Blog Archive � Breitbart TV looks back on Byrd, Boxer, Klobuchar blaming lack of snow on AGW

Earlier today, MS-NBC and Time Magazine tried to argue that the massive amounts of snow hitting the mid-Atlantic region somehow proves anthropogenic global-warming (AGW) theory, but it wasn’t that long ago that Democrats in Congress blamed AGW for the relative lack of snowfall in the same region, as well as in Minnesota. Breitbart TV and Naked Emperor News plays a Greatest Hits compendium of quotes from 2005 through 2008 from Senate Democrats Barbara Boxer, Robert Byrd, Amy Klobuchar, and Jay Inslee explaining that the lack of snow was predicted by the AGW climate models and represented an emergency requiring immediate action by the federal government.

I suspect that seeing the sun rise in the east somehow would convince these people of global warming, or at least of the need to seize the means of energy production, which is really the point. Too much snow, too little snow, snow that doesn’t form pretty crystals, and bent snow shovels all would meet the climate models — mainly because the climate models are so unreliable that pretty much any kind of weather can be claimed as evidence.

http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgcS7EQI.m4v
 
i just looked outside, and it was dark.

i can only assume the sun has been destroyed.

Those poor scientists at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia have really got a job ahead of them in that case. Micheal Mann's "trick" to hide the decline of global temps may not cut it any more.
 
Those poor scientists at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia have really got a job ahead of them in that case. Micheal Mann's "trick" to hide the decline of global temps may not cut it any more.

We need to look at long term trends and discover more about the natural causes before we blame man for everything. That way the evidence is so strong it would be hard to believe something else.
 
people do realise that quoting unusual weather events, either hot or cold, to suggest global warming climate change doesn't exist are shooting themselves in the foot, right?



my personal thoughts on it notwithstanding.
 
For me, the most powerful and obvious evidence that climate change is real, and having accelerated effects on our planet, is that it is being taken very seriously by the insurance industry worldwide. The insurance industry is not known to ally themselves with Greenpeace types, but they know the evidence and science is real. They are demonstrating such with their own future planning, underwriting, etc. They don't need any further convincing.

As for the rest of the industrialized world, they know it's real too. And they know that they can only keep the "chicken little" scam going for so long before even the must gullible among us figure out that the planet might be in real trouble. But, I think the plan is to keep denying the science, with the nearest approximation to a straight face that they can muster, while continuing to stuff as many dollars into their pockets as possible until it all collapses. This was the successful strategy of the tobacco industry for decades while millions died (as they just continued to "deny, deny, deny" while paying some "scientists" along the way to agree with them).

In the meantime, since this planet can absorb limitless amounts of pollution, without any negative consequences whatsoever, I propose that we celebrate this heavenly gift by arranging for an annual "World Pollution Day". We can coordinate our efforts to generate as much filth as we can in one spot and release it all at once. Cities can compete for the honor of having us (much like the Olympics). Any ideas for the first city? Salt Lake?
 
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This year's Climate Council in Denmark showed this city to be quite adept at handling extremely high volumes of (CO2 spewing) private plane and limousine traffic.

So I nominate Copenhagen.

Or perhaps Indianapolis where we're always racing high octane vehicles around in circles for no particular reason other than to go fast. And hundreds of thousands of people travel (and not by foot or cart) here to watch.
 
Copenhagen is a wonderful city. bountiful public transport, an attractive, bike-riding populace. i think you'd love it, INDY.
 
This year's Climate Council in Denmark showed this city to be quite adept at handling extremely high volumes of (CO2 spewing) private plane and limousine traffic.

So I nominate Copenhagen.

Or perhaps Indianapolis where we're always racing high octane vehicles around in circles for no particular reason other than to go fast. And hundreds of thousands of people travel (and not by foot or cart) here to watch.

OK. I guess the anti-climate change folks are going bring up world leaders flying to Copenhagen as some sort of "evidence" of something for years to come. That seems analagous to someone seriously arguing that because George W. Bush didn't fly coach to/from his Texas ranch (instead of spending my tax dollars gassing up the Air Force One 747), while in the White House, as some sort of "evidence" that the federal government isn't too big and wasteful. You would not accept that silly suggestion as something meaningful on the discussion of the size of government would you?

So let's put that nonsense aside. What about the first two paragraphs of my post above? You didn't touch those issues at all. Are you not at least curious to wonder why the notoriously stingy insurance industry is banking their cash and future on the reality of climate change and its effects?
 
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