BBC: What Happened to Global Warming?

[phillyfan26]

So you're saying global warming, if true, has some positives? Tell us more as we never seem to hear about those.

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying Iron Horse is an idiot.

 

[INDY500]

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying Iron Horse is an idiot.

Can you think of any possible good things about a slightly warmer planet?

Only "happy thoughts" in 2010, that should be our New Year's Resolution.

 

[Diemen]

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying Iron Horse is an idiot.

And I'm saying there's no need to stoop to personal insults to make your point.

 

[phillyfan26]

Can you think of any possible good things about a slightly warmer planet?

Only "happy thoughts" in 2010, that should be our New Year's Resolution.

It's not "warmer planet vs. cooler planet." This isn't an issue of what temperature you prefer outside. This is an issue about things like polar ice caps, the atmosphere, our reliance on polluting, non-renewable resources, etc. Things with long term effects. This isn't about adding days to the year in which I could vacation.

 

[INDY500]

This isn't about adding days to the year in which I could vacation.

As this administration steers us away from capitalism and towards the European Social Democracy model... you may wish to rethink that.

 

[phillyfan26]

SOClALISM! EUROPE! BUZZWORDS!

 

[coolian2]

As this administration steers us away from capitalism and towards the European Social Democracy model... you may wish to rethink that.

if a united states administration ever sees the light and employs that kind of common sense in my lifetime, i will do ten laps of the lincoln memorial, bareass.

 

[INDY500]

if a united states administration ever sees the light and employs that kind of common sense in my lifetime, i will do ten laps of the lincoln memorial, bareass.

Yes, with a European-like 6 to 8 weeks of vacation and permanent double-digit unemployment, we'll all have more time for such frivolity.

And a warmer globe will mean more months of running bare-ass around national monuments without that "embarrassing shrinkage" that cold weather brings.

 

[BVS]

The information the right possesses and their understanding of science is staggering

 

[coolian2]

Yes, with a European-like 6 to 8 weeks of vacation and permanent double-digit unemployment, we'll all have more time for such frivolity.

i thought the last president would be an expert on so much vacation time, and that administration sure did everything they could to ensure long term double digit unemployment.

holy shit bush was a commie.

 

[INDY500]

The information the right possesses, and their understanding of science, is staggering

For once BVS nails it.

 

[BVS]

So you've fully embraced dilusion as a new years resolution?

Good for you... You, Oscar, Rush, iron horse, and Glenn Beck can play in the same sandbox together.

 

[the iron horse]

So you've fully embraced dilusion as a new years resolution?

Good for you... You, Oscar, Rush, iron horse, and Glenn Beck can play in the same sandbox together.

That's fine with me
We just don't have room for Al Gore's ego or money.

It's fun being a skeptic on this issue.


Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years - Yahoo! News

 

[anitram]

That's fine with me
We just don't have room for Al Gore's ego or money.

Yes, those HUMBLE and POOR guys, Rush and Beck.

 

[the iron horse]

Yes, those HUMBLE and POOR guys, Rush and Beck.

I know!
I set myself up for that one

But remember, I'm just a poor country boy

 

[Irvine511]

Australian weather bureau: “Central Pacific Ocean surface temperatures are now at their warmest level since the El Niño of 1997-98″ ? Climate Progress

 

[INDY500]

An Introduction to Climate Progress (from their web page)

Joe Romm is something like the climate change equivalent of economist Paul Krugman.

Rolling Stone has a list of 100 Agents of Change of which I’m #88.

TIME magazine named Climate Progress one of the “Top 15 Green Websites.”

I am a Senior Fellow at the Washington, DC think-and-act tank run by John Podesta, the Center for American Progress (George Soros $$ )

Real independent, objective source there Irvine.

 

[purpleoscar]

Australian weather bureau: “Central Pacific Ocean surface temperatures are now at their warmest level since the El Niño of 1997-98″ � Climate Progress

Even if true, warm weather is not a sign that man is at fault since there are many natural causes. BTW we are supposed to be in an El Nino right now so I would hope we have a good summer because the last summer was garbage in Canada.

This is the problem with the entire global warming/climate change media. We are trained to believe that changes in the weather are our fault so when we break cold records in the winter or have a crappy summer like last summer we already have the habit of blaming ourselves no matter what the weather. The reality is that we are not warmer than the medieval warming period or the Holocene and we are lucky we are in a relatively warm period. 10,000 years ago "normal" was Canada buried under ice. Where I live in Alberta has gone from swamps to sand dunes. The little changes we are experiencing are really nothing in comparison to natural variability as already gone through.

Though for propaganda purposes it's smart for Mexico City to have an IPCC meeting in the summer.

 

[Irvine511]

Real independent, objective source there Irvine.

it's more credible than snow in South Korea = global warming is false.

as we know, objectivity tends to have a liberal bias.

 

[INDY500]

as we know, objectivity tends to have a liberal bias.

... while facts have a conservative bias.

 

[Irvine511]

... while facts have a conservative bias.

magic facts certainly do.

 

[phillyfan26]

... while facts have a conservative bias.

... No. Not at all.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Weather vs. Climate: Cold Snap Does Not Mean No Global Warming - ABC News

 

[BVS]

The fact that they even had to write that article just tells me there are too many iron horses and INDYs out there...

Sad.

 

[INDY500]

Weather vs. Climate: Cold Snap Does Not Mean No Global Warming - ABC News

Let's have this link in the spring if the cherry blossoms bloom a week early in D.C. or Sioux Falls South Dakota has 7 consecutive record high day days in the middle of August.

And it's blamed on Global Warming.

 

[BVS]

Show me that link and I'll show you an idiot writer...

 

[purpleoscar]

So now the Warm-mongers talk about natural blips in the winter but when the summer comes so will the propaganda. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

It�s Freezing: Must Be Global Warming by Mona Charen on National Review Online

The cold snap has spurred the “warmists” to spin control. Here’s a typical AP headline: “Cold Weather Doesn’t Disprove Global Warming: Experts.” And this from the Voice of America: “Meteorologists: Global Warming and Cold Weather Go Hand-In-Hand.” The World Meteorological Organization is at pains to distinguish between weather and climate. “I think we have to be careful not to interpret any single event as a proof of either warming or the fact that warming has stopped,“ cautioned Secretary-General Michel Jarraud.

Ah. Where has he been? As recently as eleven months ago, when brushfires raged across Australia, the “experts” were ready with interpretations. “Why Global Warming May Be Fueling Australia’s Fires,” reported Time magazine. The Huffington Post quoted Neville Nicholls, “an expert on climate change and wildfires” at Australia’s Monash University: “The terrible events of the past couple of weeks are, without doubt, partly the result of global warming and the greenhouse effect.” Can’t have doubt, can we?

When Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, “warmist” gnomes were thick on the ground, inviting us to conclude that Katrina’s deadly force resulted from global warming and that the world was entering an era of fierce storms, fires, and floods — a green apocalypse. Al Gore mentioned Katrina in An Inconvenient Truth, asking, “How in God’s name could that happen here? There had been warnings that hurricanes would get stronger. There were warnings that this hurricane . . . would cause the kind of damage that it ultimately did cause. And one question that we, as a people, need to decide is how we react when we hear warnings from the leading scientists in the world.”

They hooted when a British politician cited the cold weather as evidence of a “cooling trend.” But she learned her “science” from the masters.

Here's another bogus prediction:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall in much of lowland Britain, and December brought only moderate snowfall in the South-east. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years: in the south of England, for instance, from 1970 to 1995 snow and sleet fell for an average of 3.7 days, while from 1988 to 1995 the average was 0.7 days. London's last substantial snowfall was in February 1991.

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

 

[phillyfan26]

Weather vs. Climate: Cold Snap Does Not Mean No Global Warming - ABC News

Let's have this link in the spring if the cherry blossoms bloom a week early in D.C. or Sioux Falls South Dakota has 7 consecutive record high day days in the middle of August.

And it's blamed on Global Warming.

That's the problem. Both sides are so quick to jump on any new evidence because there's so much confusion over the old evidence, and the entire debate has devolved into knee jerk reactions and character assassination.

In the end, like everything else in America, the solution will have to be a slow, economically-viable change to the alternatives. There are benefits in that for both sides: a healthy environment, cleaner air, and less dependence on foreign countries for importing oil. However, because of the limitations of the science, this can only work with this economy slowly.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

i could kill whoever decided to use the term global warming instead of the more scientifically correct phrase climate change.

 

[purpleoscar]

That's the problem. Both sides are so quick to jump on any new evidence because there's so much confusion over the old evidence, and the entire debate has devolved into knee jerk reactions and character assassination.

In the end, like everything else in America, the solution will have to be a slow, economically-viable change to the alternatives. There are benefits in that for both sides: a healthy environment, cleaner air, and less dependence on foreign countries for importing oil. However, because of the limitations of the science, this can only work with this economy slowly.

Yes but directly addressing the problem of energy security as actually being the problem allows for those gradual changes you are talking about. Weather catastrophe is always followed by an excess reaction because people are listening to Al Gore with his end of times "poetry", impossible digital graphics in his new book, and the Met Office and IPCC saying that warming is unprecidented and will continue worse than expected. Then expectations get downplayed when the reality doesn't match the models.

i could kill whoever decided to use the term global warming instead of the more scientifically correct phrase climate change.

No. Climate Change is loaded terminology precisely because we are to assume that it is "Man made Climate Change". Since scientists have failed in calculating natural climate change (which has much more variation throughout the history of the planet) the models they use are garbage in - garbage out.

Even the Wall Street Journal doesn't go far enough by asking for higher taxes when it's warmer and lower taxes when it's colder. What if the warming is natural? Shouldn't we fund as much study on natural causes as anthropogenic CO2? Then we have the urban island heat effect which is being found to back up "warming" in Russia that when compared to temperature stations far away from cities and buildings record a cooling trend.

EXCLUSIVE: The real scandal of climategate: They got the math wrong - The M�tropolitain

EXCLUSIVE: The real scandal of climategate: They got the math wrong
By H. Douglas Lightfoot on January 7, 2010

The level of confusion and misinformation surrounding the real and perceived issues of “climate change” related to CoP 15 in Copenhagen is enormous, but it need not be.

The real issue is not about “climate change”, but about the effects of global warming on the environment. Every adverse effect on the environment cited by people who study these things is always about the effect of warming. For example, glaciers are melting; species are dying out or changing geographical ranges because of increased temperature. No one denies that since 1910 the atmosphere has warmed. Several different records show the same result.

The term “climate change” is not useful in the current situation because the only constant factor about the earth’s climate since the beginning of time is “change”. It is normal for the climate to change. At some time, and with 100% certainty, we can say the current warming will stop and the earth will move into a period of global cooling.

The controversy, and there is a controversy, is about the cause of the current warming. Some scientists claim that the increased concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere is the major cause. Other scientists claim that the major cause is changes in the energy output of the sun.

Confusion has entered the controversy on both sides with the incorrect use of the word “consensus”. Achieving consensus in social situations is very powerful and contributes greatly to the success of churches and other social organizations. Consensus is the agreement among a group of people about how to accomplish a particular goal or objective. Consensus encourages the individuals in a group to work together smoothly and efficiently towards a common goal.

Consensus does not work in science because science is not about opinion; it is about verifiable and reproducible evidence—the evidence rules. Throughout history, many examples show consensus in science was just plain wrong. Some of the most famous are that of Galileo, Copernicus, Einstein and more recently, Alfred Wegener, the discoverer of the tectonic plate theory of continent movement. In the current controversy, it is safe and intelligent to disregard the results of counting the number of scientists with one opinion or another.

A complicated set of variable forces determine the earth’s climate. Understanding how these forces work together is only just beginning. New information and reassessment of existing information will continue to surface for many years and change how we must view the climate and its effect on the environment.

There is a dangerous misconception that we can change the climate. If the sun is the cause, it is obvious that we cannot control the sun. If the cause is CO2, then we also cannot control the atmospheric temperature. Even if we could reduce carbon emissions to zero today, the warming from CO2 currently in the atmosphere will be with us for centuries. That is how long it will take the excess CO2 to dissolve in the oceans or react with rocks.

We have no alternative but to adapt to climate change and to concentrate on a more important problem – future energy supply as coal, oil and natural gas become scarce. Without sufficient energy, we cannot adapt to climate change.