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Old 08-20-2009, 07:01 PM   #31
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but that was the subtext.

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you were getting all Rapture-y on us, i just know it.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:55 PM   #34
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you were getting all Rapture-y on us, i just know it.
flummoxed by a certain poster's projections..

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you were getting all Rapture-y on us, i just know it.

I don't think the Mormons believe in the Rapture?

There is actually quite a bit of diversity of belief among people of faith when it comes to apocalyptic scenarios. In fact, you'll probaly find the greatest divergence in theology on this topic when you talk to Christians of different denominations.

I suspect it's because nobody really knows how it's going to go down.
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still, you've got to admit the appeal of a bit LOTR-style apocalyptic battle -- i'd half expect Jesus to pull out a lightsaber.
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I don't think the Mormons believe in the Rapture?

There is actually quite a bit of diversity of belief among people of faith when it comes to apocalyptic scenarios. In fact, you'll probaly find the greatest divergence in theology on this topic when you talk to Christians of different denominations.

I suspect it's because nobody really knows how it's going to go down.
Sure we do, we don't call it the Rapture, but we do believe that Christ will return to earth and usher in the Millennium and that there will be peace on earth for a 1000 years.

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still, you've got to admit the appeal of a bit LOTR-style apocalyptic battle -- i'd half expect Jesus to pull out a lightsaber.
Unfortunately, my faith tradition doesn't picture the apocalypse quite that way. . .
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Sure we do, we don't call it the Rapture, but we do believe that Christ will return to earth and usher in the Millennium and that there will be peace on earth for a 1000 years.

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But the Rapture is a specific theology of the end times that has the Christians whisked off to heaven and everyone else is left here to. . .well, I don't know what. Our church doesn't believe in the Rapture either so my knowledge is limited. I guess to be accurate, I should be using the term "secret rapture." I just never hear the term rapture used in any other context.

You ever see those Left Behind movies or read the books. (I haven't, but I know that's what they're all about.)

We believe in a visible, worldwide event when Christ comes. The living saved go to heaven with him, the saved that are dead are resurrected and also go to heaven, the unsaved that are alive at the time are destroyed "by the brightness of His coming", and the earth is left empty for a thousand years (well, except for Satan who is left here to think about what he's done. Kind of a cosmic time-out if you will). Then there's a whole other slew of stuff that happens at the end of the millenium. But I won't get into that. ..
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You ever see those Left Behind movies or read the books. (I haven't, but I know that's what they're all about.)

We believe in a visible, worldwide event when Christ comes. The living saved go to heaven with him, the saved that are dead are resurrected and also go to heaven, the unsaved that are alive at the time are destroyed "by the brightness of His coming", and the earth is left empty for a thousand years (well, except for Satan who is left here to think about what he's done. Kind of a cosmic time-out if you will). Then there's a whole other slew of stuff that happens at the end of the millenium. But I won't get into that. ..

Yes, I did see the first Left Behind and watched it with fleeting interest.
I couldn't finsih the 2nd disc.

Umm, there are mostly similarities to the 2nd coming scenarios in way our churches agree on things, once the event actually happens we'll experience the details as they unfold I'm sure.



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I'd take Obi Wan over Jesus in a light saber duel.

That Obi Wan is a bad mother...

Shut your mouth!!

I'm just talkin' 'bout Obi Wan.
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Yes, I did see the first Left Behind and watched it with fleeting interest.
I couldn't finsih the 2nd disc.

Umm, there are mostly similarities to the 2nd coming scenarios in way our churches agree on things, once the event actually happens we'll experience the details as they unfold I'm sure.



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I dunno. I just know our theology is pretty different. Maybe it's just us.
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Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu may infect half the U.S. population this year, hospitalize 1.8 million patients and lead to as many as 90,000 deaths, more than twice the number killed in a typical seasonal flu, White House advisers said.

In a report by the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology, President Barack Obama today was urged to speed vaccine production and name a senior member of the White House staff, preferably the homeland security adviser, to take responsibility for decision-making on the pandemic. Initial doses should be accelerated to mid-September to vaccinate as many as 40 million people, the advisory group said.

Seasonal flu usually kills about 36,000 Americans, said Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Swine flu, also called H1N1, causes more severe illness needing hospitalization among younger people than seasonal flu, while leaving people 65 and older relatively unscathed, said Mike Shaw of the CDC.

“This isn’t the flu that we’re used to,” said Kathleen Sebelius, U.S. Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. “The 2009 H1N1 virus will cause a more serious threat this fall. We won’t know until we’re in the middle of the flu season how serious the threat is, but because it’s a new strain, it’s likely to infect more people than usual.”

Data from clinical trials to assess the safety and effectiveness of swine flu vaccines will start to become available in mid-September, health officials reported Aug. 21. Full results from the two-dose trials won’t be available until mid October.

Mid-October Vaccine

“We are making every preparation effort assuming a safe and effective vaccine will be available in mid-October,” Sebelius said today at the CDC’s Atlanta offices.

According to what the advisory report describes as a “plausible scenario,” 30 percent to 50 percent of the country’s population will be infected in the fall and winter. As many as 300,000 patients may be treated in hospital intensive care units, filling 50 percent to 100 percent of the available beds, and 30,000 to 90,000 people may die, the report said.

Peter Gross, chief medical officer at Hackensack University Medical Center in New Jersey, said if the group’s scenario comes true, “I think every hospital in America is going to be in a crunch. We’ll be hard pressed to deal with those predictions,” he said.

Predictions ‘Overblown’

The predictions seem “overblown,” Gross said, given that swine-flu outbreaks in 1968 and 1957 failed to cause as many deaths, even with medical technology and disease surveillance less advanced than today.

“Influenza, you can make all the predictions you want, but it’s more difficult than predicting the weather,” Gross said in a telephone interview today, after the advisory report was made public. “If influenza was a stock, I wouldn’t touch it.”

The 775-bed hospital is planning for an outbreak, upping its order of flu medications and discussing where to put patients if the worst occurs, Gross said.

The President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology is chaired by John Holdren, the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology, Eric Lander, the head of the Broad Institute of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Harold Varmus, the chief executive officer of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York.

The 21-member group of scientists and engineers, created by Congress in 1976, advises the president on policy involving scientific matters.

Four Months

H1N1 has already reached more than 170 countries and territories in the four months since being identified, the Geneva-based World Health Organization said. Swine flu causes similar symptoms as seasonal strains. It has so far resulted in worse than normal flu seasons, with increased hospitalizations and cases of severe illness, the WHO said in an Aug. 12 release.

The median age of those with the pandemic virus has been 12 to 17 years, the WHO said on July 24, citing data from Canada, Chile, Japan, U.K. and the U.S.

“People who get infected with this strain happen to be the healthiest members of our society,” said Shaw, associate director of laboratory science at the CDC’s flu division, in a presentation today, also at the agency’s offices.

The H1N1 strain is genetically related to the 1918 Spanish Flu strain that killed an estimated 50 million people. Variations of the Spanish Flu strain circulated widely until around 1957, when they were pushed aside by other flu strains. People whose first exposure to a flu virus was one of those Spanish Flu relatives may have greater immunity to the current pandemic, Shaw said.

To contact the reporters on this story: Tom Randall in New York at trandall6@bloomberg.net;
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Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bioweapon in its vaccine
The would-be bomber, Joseph Moshe, called into the Dr True Ott Show on Republic Broadcasting and said he was a microbiologist who wanted to hand over evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 vaccines being produced by Baxter pharmaceutical. He claimed that that Baxter’s lab in the Ukraine was in fact preparing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He maintained that the vaccine contained both adjuvants designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 global pandemic. That’s it. He made no threat against Obama, nor said anything about bombs or any attack. The following day he was hauled out of his red VW beetle by a SWAT team and arrested. He was immediately extradited to Israel, where he has dual-citizenship, and hasn’t been heard from since. All this talk portraying him as being a rightwing nutcase is disinformation designed to keep his disturbing comments from alarming the public
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Those things are very impractical for a body, no matter what the cause of death.
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