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Old 11-08-2010, 01:36 PM   #16
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Timeless Core Republican Values > attempted weak kneed revisionist histories.
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:05 PM   #17
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Timeless Core Republican Values > attempted weak kneed revisionist histories.
The definition of social conservatism is keeping the status quo. There is nothing revisionists about that, therefore they have never been on the right side of history when it comes to equality or social issues.
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:07 PM   #18
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Timeless Core Republican Values > attempted weak kneed revisionist histories.
Do you have any actual substance behind that? I'd like to hear it.
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:47 PM   #19
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Bitter, angry people will always be bitter, angry people. No worries, the right won't go away. They'll just find new groups to identify with and hate on.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:57 PM   #20
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The article in question seems to be nothing but sour grapes (and, frankly, it reads bitter and angry). Threatening your opponent isn't necessarily going to win you any points.

There are plenty of sensible conservatives out there, as well as plenty of sensible liberals. It is the ability of those people to get together and pass legislation that doesn't go off the cliff ideologically one way or the other that will keep the country moving forward in a sane, reasonable direction.

The vast majority of Americans sit squarely in the middle on a lot of issues. I think this election is and should serve as a reminder of that to both parties, and I don't think that's a bad thing.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:59 PM   #21
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Do you have any actual substance behind that? I'd like to hear it.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:01 PM   #22
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Do you have any actual substance behind that? I'd like to hear it.
so to answer your question, nope he doesn't.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:39 PM   #23
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You've deluded yourself into thinking the current Republicans or the Tea Party care about any of that?

Good luck with 'vilifying corruption' in our modern day PAC-funded political climate. It's not even corruption when lobbying is built into the system.

The reason I stray Democrat more than Republican is because I know that at the federal level, most Republicans do not give a shit about you nor your individual rights.

Arizona is the Florida of the southwest...where delusional old white people and deadbeat dads flee to to be insulated from reality. Enjoy.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:49 PM   #24
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I'm always skeptical of appeals to the inevitability of "progress" as generations and demographics change. Reconstruction collapsed into Jim Crow despite 620,000 young men having paid with their lives to resolve the underlying conflict once and for all. Jews in late 19th-century Europe thought that democracy and access to civic participation would allow them to realize the security promised by Emancipation; they were wrong. Reproductive rights remain a bitterly contested and divisive issue here after several decades. The "browning of America" doesn't mean future immigrants will be protected from xenophobia, no matter what their skin color is; it just means the fearmongering narratives will be subtly different. And who's got the money will continue to matter just as much, if not more, as who's got the numbers. These aren't reasons for cynical passivity, they're reasons for continuing to fight for principles and social visions greater than whichever present conflicts you happen to hold a very personal stake in.

Wise is a Southern Jew from Memphis who cut his teeth organizing against David Duke's candidacy in Louisiana in the early 90s. I get where he's coming from, and I think many of his writings on white privilege and the hollowness of most appeals to "colorblindness" are spot on. But yeah, he can get a little shrill sometimes, and he's probably a bit too pugilistic to make it with mainstream liberals.
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I did not ask you to provide evidence that you can use Google, I asked what substance you had. By substance, I meant defining what you believe "timeless core Republican ideals" are.
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I asked what substance you had.
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:31 PM   #28
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I was more laughing at the concept that there would be any elaboration on his original post, really.
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Well, that was kind of the point. Him posting a link to fucking Wikipedia spoke volumes.
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can anyone seriously argue that the best classical music ever created has largely emanated from mid Europe?
Well, having studied musicology I can argue that Indian classical music, scales and polyrhythms (Ragas, Tablas) are at least as complicated as the European classical music (which isn´t polyrhythmic at all). Of course, our ears are used to the system that has dominated since 17th century (major and minor keys) so it sounds beautiful and "normal, natural" to our ears, but it may seem different to someone who grew up with Indian classical music. The best..? I don´t know.. many world-class musicians have deep respect for music from other parts of the world and it isn´t necessary to be "the best". The minor/ major system is just the one we´re used to; and of course it dominates most pop music too (of course, we need to mention the influence of blues scales here).

Also, middle European classical music had a "problem" in all the 20th century, if you look at the scales of new music, Berg, Schoenberg, etc. and not at neoclassicism. Most great "classical" composers, from Bach to Beethoven (who both were´nt that classical - Bach was Baroque whereas Beethoven, unlinke Mozart and Haydn who were typical classical musicians, was on the verge of Romanticism with his dramatic symphonies) wanted to break borders and create something new, harmonically.
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