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Old 03-18-2011, 02:34 AM   #16
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exactly. my dad had knee surgery about two months ago and his knee hurts even more than it did before. plus it's his second surgery on that knee (the first was in the late 80s) too! now he's got to get shots in his knee every so often but he's still in a lot of pain by the end of the day.

plus i used to work with someone who'd had back surgery and same thing, he was still in pain afterwards. he wasn't an old guy either, i'd say he was in his late 30s maybe? i mean geez.
Ugh. That sucks. Poor guys. I hope I never wind up like that (or that I'll be fortunate enough to have better means to treat such things by the time I am old enough to deal with those problems).

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also like you mentioned about giving you pills for everything. it's all so frustrating. i'm not much of a pill person, i'd be happy if i didn't have to take any at all. i've got to take four every night which i hate doing; two are just to help prevent migraines but of course i still get them, though at least not as much. of course there can't be a cure for everything, but come on.
God, yes. We're looking for a quick fix, we just throw pills out as the solution instead of actually creating cures. Pills treat symptoms at best, and only temporarily. Too many people either forget that or don't know that. And even then, if a doctor suggests you try something, most people feel uncomfortable arguing with doctors, 'cause, you know, they're supposed to know better than you are, and most people don't bother or don't think to inform themselves much about necessary questions and rights and such as patients, so they just take whatever's given and wind up having to deal with the consequences.

My rule of thumb's always been if the list of side effects takes up most of the commercial, it's probably best to avoid the product. I take Ibuprofen for migraines and Midol for feminine stuff and that is IT. I plan to try and avoid excessive pill use as much as possible.

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Old 03-18-2011, 08:26 AM   #17
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Phil used to have to take an expensive seizure medication (expensive b/c there was no generic and he had to take 4 pills a day). When he was between jobs and had no insurance, his Dr. could get him several months free from the drug company. When he was on my health insurance, sorry, no deal. Oh and the insurance only covered a little part of it.

Luckily everything I take, I can get generics in 3 months supply with a cheap co-pay b/c they are generics and I don't care. Also it's nice that most antibiotics are now free at Meijer or $4 at Target.

I used to not be much of a pill person either until I "grew into" these horrible 3-5 day classic migraines. Often I could not work, drive, do anything with the dogs, exercise....just had to stay home for days with a pillow on my face. Tried various OTC cocktails and remedies....nothing really worked. Went to the Dr. and got a prescription, plus combine it with a high (1000mg) dose of NSAID and now the migraines go from a 5 day ordeal to dissolving in about 1/2 hour. Everyone I know that's tried the prescription I take has had horrible side effects and could not continue. The list is scary (some as bad as the migraine), but so far I've had none other than a slightly drowsy/happy sensation. At this point I don't care what it is or why it works, I have my life back.
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Old 03-18-2011, 11:27 PM   #18
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out of curiosity, what do you take, liesje?
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1 Immitrex (not sure the dose but it's standard) and 1000mg ibuprofen at the same time. I can take more Immitrex later but so far haven't needed to. Unfortunately it doesn't prevent migraines, but hot damn I can literally feel the pain dissolving! In the past two months I've had both the worst aura migraine (lost all peripheral vision, almost all vision on the left, and had some really scary/funky "auras", plus my left arm/hand numb and tingling) and the most acutely painful migraines I've ever had and it worked on both. If I'm like my mother, I'll outgrow this eventually (as hormones change...hers stopped when she had us kids). I always had headaches as a kid but in the past two years it's gotten out of control. The first time I had an aura migraine I thought I was having a seizure. Of course ideally I'd like to know why it happens and cure or prevent it but with a strong genetic component I don't know if I could. At least this way I'm no longer missing work and doing nothing for days on end.
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I'd guess that most if not all research and development in medicine today is for treatment... in other words drugs. It's because there is frankly no profit to be made from curing our conditions or diseases.
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Good news in the field of anti-malarial medicines:

Canadians make malaria breakthrough
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Old 03-19-2011, 01:47 PM   #22
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I'd guess that most if not all research and development in medicine today is for treatment... in other words drugs. It's because there is frankly no profit to be made from curing our conditions or diseases.
Well, as trendy as it is condemn all medical research with one "big pharma" brush, I think it may be just a little too cynical. Also, you should not equate the word "drugs" to mean treatment alone. The cure for TB is usually a combination of 4 or 5 different drugs. But, it works. But it only works if the patient is committed to taking those drugs throughout the whole period they are supposed to take them, even when the symptoms subside. If stopped to early, not only is it possible that you will not be cured, but you may also contribute to drug-resistance in the TB bacterium. Same goes for anti-malarial treatment as I understand it.

The problem with pharmaceutical companies is not that they purposely avoid developing a cure (there is a large profit incentive to develop cures, after-all)
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Also it's nice that most antibiotics are now free at Meijer or $4 at Target.
wow! can you buy antibiotics freely in the US without a medical prescription??

is antibiotic use extremely widespread there then? here, well in France and the UK at least, antibiotics are only available on a doctor's prescription, and in recent years they have been prescribed less and less due to massive problems relating to resistance, MRSA etc... it's a really serious issue... and doctors are really trying to discourage unnecessary use these days... is that not the situation in the US then??
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wow! can you buy antibiotics freely in the US without a medical prescription??

is antibiotic use extremely widespread there then? here, well in France and the UK at least, antibiotics are only available on a doctor's prescription, and in recent years they have been prescribed less and less due to massive problems relating to resistance, MRSA etc... it's a really serious issue... and doctors are really trying to discourage unnecessary use these days... is that not the situation in the US then??
No. Not at all.

And doctors try to educate about antibiotics, and their limitations, people just don't always want to listen.

But you still can't get an antibiotic without a prescription.
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wow! can you buy antibiotics freely in the US without a medical prescription??

is antibiotic use extremely widespread there then? here, well in France and the UK at least, antibiotics are only available on a doctor's prescription, and in recent years they have been prescribed less and less due to massive problems relating to resistance, MRSA etc... it's a really serious issue... and doctors are really trying to discourage unnecessary use these days... is that not the situation in the US then??
No (well, I can, but....). They are prescribed, but are free from the pharmacy. The doctor calls in a scrip (or gives you the piece of paper) and you go get them. The common ones are free at Meijer or $4 at the Target pharmacy I use (not worth it to me to switch pharmacies for $4). Usually we pay out the wazoo for most prescription drugs. Phil used to have one that was $4 a day and that was after insurance supposedly paid for part of it. And I've heard of some cancer drugs that are insanely expensive, like $10 per pill. These are all prescriptions from a doctor, but we still have to pay for them, even with good health insurance (which we also pay for).

My grandma had MRSA for years, may have died from it (she had many serious health problems, any one of which could have killed her and I don't think my grandpa ordered an autopsy).
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ahh ok! i just had visions of people stocking up with packs of antibiotics in their shopping baskets!

healthcare is so expensive in france as well... as a freelancer i pay a compulsory minimum of 6.5% of my profits + other tax deductions added back on(!) just on State health insurance which only reimburses up to a certain percentage (up to 65% depending on the type of treatment etc), and we have to top up with private health insurance which costs around 1500 euros a year, but most things are then 100% covered... it's quite shocking when they send you the statement showing how much your treatment cost... was very relieved to have insurance when i received my statement for a 2-night hospital stay which ended up costing about 4000 euros it is shocking really...

but then medical care in France is one of the best in the world - it really is amazing! it is probably one of the best places to be sick - as long as you are 100% covered! otherwise there are nasty surprises... i've known of friends/family caught out when coming on holiday to France with only the standard European health cover (formally the E111) and didn't bother to take out extra health insurance, and ended up having to pay thousands out of their own pocket for emergency treatment which wouldn't be reimbursed...
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I mean, sure, watch it. But take it with the requisite pinch of salt called for when watching any Moore film.
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This story has an even unhappier ending
FDA and Makena: Agency opens up competition for premature pregnancy drug - latimes.com

The FDA, which represents Big Government trying to control the FREE MARKET, decided that the private company charging $1500 for dosage was unfair. How it CAPITALISM unfair!?

More of Obooma and the DemoRATS trying to turn the U.S. into a SOCIALIST nation. Libtards never learn.
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