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Old 07-14-2009, 04:16 PM   #61
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that's why there should be a 3-day waiting period for all abortions.

she could change her mind.

you know how women are.
Suprise!

I agree.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:21 PM   #62
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How do you know that I'm a "pro choice advocate"? You assume, I guess. Not a spokesman for the state of MA either-ask the gov on that one.

I think we all know what can be done to reduce the number of abortions. Education and access to birth control. Adoption. Financial support. Things like that that we're all aware of.

And I think you know that these "abortion parties" are not the new baby showers. Do you honestly think most women who make that decision are rejoicing about abortions? Come on. I hardly think it is representative of most of the people in the "pro choice movement". Like I said before, something to hang your hat on. Just to make it crystal clear, I find the idea of an "abortion party" repugnant. But I also find it repugnant to use a Glamour Magazine article about it to paint all women (and men) who make that decision with such a brush. This is about the parties, not the abortions. But you're making a straight line link between the two, it seems.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:31 PM   #63
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Suprise!

I agree.


actually, not surprised.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:33 PM   #64
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Since that is the rhetoric of pro-choice advocates, so to speak.

Um, yeah...

F**king ridiculous.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:33 PM   #65
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They don't want to take responsibility for knocking up a woman.


abortion is only about responsibility. only the irresponsible have abortions. it's true.
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:03 AM   #66
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If my daughter would ever attend one of these, I will know that I have utterly failed as a father.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you have kids and how old they might me, but I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you realize that they are going to become adults with their own thoughts and values, which may differ greatly from your own. Are you going to let them know that you feel like a failure because they think differently than you do? I really hope not.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:51 AM   #67
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Um, yeah...

F**king ridiculous.
Not at all.

Some actually believe it's more about a child than a choice.

"Pro-choice advocates, so to speak" is the nicest possible way to say it.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:57 AM   #68
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How do you know that I'm a "pro choice advocate"? You assume, I guess.
Last I remember, you were.

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Not a spokesman for the state of MA either-ask the gov on that one.

I think we all know what can be done to reduce the number of abortions. Education and access to birth control. Adoption. Financial support. Things like that that we're all aware of.
I think these are certainly more acceptable than "nothing."

A number of these things have been tried, and haven't made the difference that we would like to have seen.

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And I think you know that these "abortion parties" are not the new baby showers. Do you honestly think most women who make that decision are rejoicing about abortions?
Some do it reluctantly, some just don't care.

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I find the idea of an "abortion party" repugnant. But I also find it repugnant to use a Glamour Magazine article about it to paint all women (and men) who make that decision with such a brush. This is about the parties, not the abortions. But you're making a straight line link between the two, it seems.
There's reluctant aborters and apathetic aborters. I understand that. Let's not "paint me with a brush."

That's because I think we should celebrate life, not... something to the contrary.
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I would imagine that it's agonizing (and hardly just apathetic and reluctant) for many people. Can't you grasp that possibility? How do you arrive at the conclusion that anyone "just doesn't care"? Where do you get such a window into anyone's reality?

I have my own views but I also know for damn sure that other people don't live my life, are faced with situations that I'm not faced with. That life does not always follow some neatly planned path (hardly ever does), and that decisions that are agonizing and life altering sometimes result. And that my beliefs are not the beliefs of others. I try to see people in that situation from that viewpoint.
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How do you arrive at the conclusion that anyone "just doesn't care"? Where do you get such a window into anyone's reality?
The dismissiveness of some who describe the earlier stages of pregnancy as nothing more than a blob of cells.
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I would imagine that it's agonizing (and hardly just apathetic and reluctant) for many people. Can't you grasp that possibility? How do you arrive at the conclusion that anyone "just doesn't care"? Where do you get such a window into anyone's reality?
The more agonizing it is, the more likely they are to regret it.

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I have my own views but I also know for damn sure that other people don't live my life, are faced with situations that I'm not faced with. That life does not always follow some neatly planned path (hardly ever does), and that decisions that are agonizing and life altering sometimes result. And that my beliefs are not the beliefs of others. I try to see people in that situation from that viewpoint.
Same here, but that doesn't always justify Idea X or Idea Y.
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The dismissiveness of some who describe the earlier stages of pregnancy as nothing more than a blob of cells.
Well I allow for the possibility that once a pregnancy exists and all that surrounds that..that it becomes much more difficult to do that and that dismissive words just don't enter as easily into an equation. Maybe I'm just naive. Don't think so, but of course it's possible. In some cases, hardly the majority.

Life is infinitely more complicated and messy than the words and slogans that we can attribute to people on a message board.
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it just seems like it's too heavy a question for a woman to decide.

let the men call the shots, their judgment isn't clouded so easily and they aren't as prone to fickle changes of mood or agonizing over things that they might one day regret.
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let the men call the shots, their judgment isn't clouded so easily and they aren't as prone to fickle changes of mood or agonizing over things that they might one day regret.

You are the voice of reason
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it just seems like it's too heavy a question for a woman to decide.

let the men call the shots, their judgment isn't clouded so easily and they aren't as prone to fickle changes of mood or agonizing over things that they might one day regret.
Here here. I think I speak for all females when I say we are simply unable to make informed decisions regarding our lives. It's ever so hard to think clearly with all the hormones and periods and emotions. Obviously, we need strangers (preferably a good Christian man) to tell us what to do.
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