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Old 10-04-2012, 11:45 AM   #76
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Romney was going to win regardless of how Obama performed. My hunch is that Obama knew this and didn't bother to come out swinging with his strongest points until the initial storm passes.

The media wants a race, they need a race. And rather than overshadow strong points that Obama could have made, he can just concede this first debate.

That would be my best guess, or Obama really just wasn't on his game and couldn't recover.

But to call these things debates is a joke. It's a beauty pageant and who can have the best sound bites. There is no debating at all. They both give vague policy ideas or solutions, and never really counter what is said.
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As someone who thinks media corporations are the problem and that the BBC model is preferred, that whole PBS thing was pretty much the worst.
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Romney was going to win regardless of how Obama performed. My hunch is that Obama knew this and didn't bother to come out swinging with his strongest points until the initial storm passes.

The media wants a race, they need a race. And rather than overshadow strong points that Obama could have made, he can just concede this first debate.

That would be my best guess, or Obama really just wasn't on his game and couldn't recover.

But to call these things debates is a joke. It's a beauty pageant and who can have the best sound bites. There is no debating at all. They both give vague policy ideas or solutions, and never really counter what is said.
I probably couldn't disagree more. Last night definitely showed a clear line between the two candidates, and they tried to engage each other quite often... much to the chagrin of an awful Jim Lehrer, who should have encouraged the back and forth rather than trying to speak over them and shut them up. I understand he's the moderator and all, but nobody tuned in to see the moderator.

The reason why I don't agree with you about how Obama felt he would lose in the medias eyes because they needed a race is because a) that's a horrible tactic when you could have pretty much buried the guy with a good performance, and b) even MSNBC was baffled at how badly Obama got beaten.

Those on the left will say that despite O looking disinterested and sounding like a rambling, boring economics professor... his ideas will work better. If Mitt had lost, the right would say the same thing.

But the point of these debates is to see who can do a better job of convincing the middle... i.e. the majority of Americans... that their ideas and plans foe the country are better than the other guys.

Point, Romney.

Still two and a half more debates to go... plenty of time for Obama to refined his pulse and for Romney to ride in a tank... but last night revived a campaign that was on life support, and turned a potential blow out into a nail biter... at least for now.
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ROMNEY has been telling lies about Romney. Are we that stupid as a nation now? Can we no longer recognize when a person lies to our faces? Jesus. The entire debate was over whether a snake oil salesman was convincing enough! What the hell?
Obama's entire campaign 4 years ago was around hope and change and a new kind of politician... and shockingly enough, his 4 years have been politics as usual.

Sooooo since when have political campaigns not been about who can do a better job of selling their own personal image?
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I can be completely non partisan about it. Romney owned that debate. Good debate or not, he did.

Maybe Obama went into it too confident, and just waiting for Romney to do himself in. The President seemed utterly disinterested. Disappointed in his effort. And not mentioning the 47%, what the hell?

Other than his usual smarmy grin Romney wins completely.
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I forgot to mention is last night, but the minute hose words left his mouth, he lost the vote of mine he never possessed to begin with.
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Still two and a half more debates to go... plenty of time for Obama to refined his pulse and for Romney to ride in a tank... but last night revived a campaign that was on life support, and turned a potential blow out into a nail biter... at least for now.
This is an important point. It is tempting to draw far-reaching conclusions from one debate, but I think the truth is that few will remember Romney's performance in this one if he does not sustain the momentum or if Obama is perceived as having won the next two. The pressure in many ways is still on Romney, though he does appear to have shifted at least some of it onto Obama.
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For a while, Mittens sounded like me trying to potty train my daughter with all the 1's and 2's.
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Yeah, you have to think Obama rethinks his strategy here. Frankly, I found the debate unwatchable. I hated the way that both candidates came across. Romney was rude and Obama was just there.
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Romney said a lot of nothing

Obama didn't say much at all
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But the point of these debates is to see who can do a better job of convincing the middle... i.e. the majority of Americans... that their ideas and plans foe the country are better than the other guys.

Point, Romney.
For all this talk of the famed middle, it is worth nothing that there are very, very few people who are undecided at this point. So few in fact, that an election won't turn on them, so unless Romney can start picking off some of the decideds who have broken for Obama, it won't get him far.
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Romney said a lot of nothing

Obama didn't say much at all
I think that is a fantastic description.
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For all this talk of the famed middle, it is worth nothing that there are very, very few people who are undecided at this point. So few in fact, that an election won't turn on them, so unless Romney can start picking off some of the decideds who have broken for Obama, it won't get him far.
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I can be completely non partisan about it. Romney owned that debate. Good debate or not, he did.

Maybe Obama went into it too confident, and just waiting for Romney to do himself in. The President seemed utterly disinterested. Disappointed in his effort. And not mentioning the 47%, what the hell?

Other than his usual smarmy grin Romney wins completely.


Thanks, I know you are no fan of his at all.
I have never planned on voting for him in November.

By the very nature of these debates, they are a contest or competition.
It is possible to have a draw. Like him or hate him, Romney clearly had a decisivie win last night.
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