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Old 10-12-2015, 03:21 AM   #1
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Well there's 100W amp in stomp box size, so that's that

So nowadays, people are al about lighter gear and emulation/modeling of classic rigs for convenience. I don't complain, as I use modeling gear (RP360XP from Digitech, which has hit-or-miss amp sims, but Im totally fine with most of effects, they're fantastic) and lots of favorite artists like Edge, Ken Andrews, Steve Vai, St. Vincent, etc uses some sort of modeling (either Axe-Fx or Kemper). I used to think real amps or some classic pedals is just inconvenient.

But, this may change. I encountered this thing online called AMP 1 made by BluGuitar which is basically 100W TUBE amp in pedal size (yeah it's big for a pedal but you know what I'm saying). HUGE difference in size compared to massive Marshall JCM800 heads or some other 100W amps. Even compared to Vox AC30 which is massive. You can see this thing in action in GigRig youtube channel and rig rundown for Jennifer Batten (another great guitarist). What do you guys think? i think this is fantastic, i can see similar things coming to some other classic amp which will be shrunk down to pedal size which nails their tones.


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Personally I think the big tube guitar amplifier is a dying breed.
  • Modeling techniques have come a long way since the first Pod was released and they will continue to get better and better. Meanwhile tube technology more or less remains the same.
  • There is also the convenience of having access to a multitude of sounds instead of being stuck with one sound.
  • When the first modelers cam about our guitarist ears were tuned to those classic tube sounds of the past. Nowadays a new generation has come along to whom modeling no longer is a dirty word, but which their ears have become comfortable with as well, as many of their heroes have been using them.
  • Nobody, not even Slayer with their walls of Marshall stacks, needs 100w amps on stage anymore thanks to PA systems. And since your stage sound is no longer an integral part of the overall sound, why not eliminate the middle man and go straight into the mixing desk? Your band mates will be happy as well as the trope of the obnoxiously loud asshole guitar player has been around for a long while and cause of many a heated argument inside bands. Not to mention the object of intense pure hatred from FOH engineers.
  • Not having to haul heavy amps around is good for your back and eases logistics. Both on the road and on/off stage.
  • Here's one thing I've noticed throughout the years, which I've often said and will say again. 99% of the audience will simply not hear the difference. If they like the music, they won't care about your tone. If they don't like the music it will not be because of your tone, unless it was really, really, awful. And you can do that with a tube amp just as easily.
  • Most importantly, who cares what other people say, if it sounds good to you, bedroom, rehearsal and in the overall mix, it's good enough.
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Yeah, I am pretty confident that this stuck into Torpedo or some sort of cab-sims/impulse loader or whatever will be probably the most convenient option while keeping tubes. These AMP1 kind of thing is multi-channel so there's nothing deficient about options (but these are probably modeled or based off of Marshall heads, so.....yeah, cleans aren't "superb").

I see myself using something like this if this has smaller wattage/more bedroom-friendly. This certainly looks lighter and easy to use. It's got boost and all, which is like must for all expensive amps nowadays.
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[*]Nobody, not even Slayer with their walls of Marshall stacks, needs 100w amps on stage anymore thanks to PA systems. And since your stage sound is no longer an integral part of the overall sound, why not eliminate the middle man and go straight into the mixing desk? Your band mates will be happy as well as the trope of the obnoxiously loud asshole guitar player has been around for a long while and cause of many a heated argument inside bands. Not to mention the object of intense pure hatred from FOH engineers.
Unless you want big cleans. Never heard a smaller wattage amp with a small-wattage amp that can be clean at stage volume with a moderate-hitting drummer.
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I see these miniature high-power amp could be everywhere.. but one downside is the lack of variation; if you have modeler, then you can flip multiple amps and all that which could allow you to have extra choices for tonality.
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Unless you want big cleans. Never heard a smaller wattage amp with a small-wattage amp that can be clean at stage volume with a moderate-hitting drummer.
Surely a small Fender amp like a Hot Rod can do that trick? I have a 2x10 Fender Vibrolux that can easily do big cleans with such a drummer. And I get dirty looks when I turn it up to 2 already.

But I don't even use that amp anymore. My setup is currently AMT F1 preamp pedal that can go straight into the mixing desk with cab sim if need be, but which can also go into a Marshall 9009 solid state power amp during rehearsal. My cleans sound just fine.
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I have heard that using real amps in conjunction with something like Torpedo live cab sim sounds great and noiseless; this way the signal can go directly to FOH and still get authentic tube amp sound (if that's something you'll care).

But Muad'zin, you have Axe-Fx, you don't even have to worry about that, i guess. What amp model are you using for Axe-fx?
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Surely a small Fender amp like a Hot Rod can do that trick? I have a 2x10 Fender Vibrolux that can easily do big cleans with such a drummer. And I get dirty looks when I turn it up to 2 already.
At 45 lbs and 40 watts, I wouldn't exactly consider that small. LOL!

Best cleans I ever hear are the 40+ wattage amps. Not just because of the wattage, but because of the transformers. Smaller wattage amps just don't have the low end thump in the cleans in my experience. I get the best cleans out of a big-watt amp through a re-amper for cleans to get it to the right volume.
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I have heard that using real amps in conjunction with something like Torpedo live cab sim sounds great and noiseless; this way the signal can go directly to FOH and still get authentic tube amp sound (if that's something you'll care).

But Muad'zin, you have Axe-Fx, you don't even have to worry about that, i guess. What amp model are you using for Axe-fx?
I'm currently still experimenting with the thing. The number of options are staggering. Thank god for Axe-Edit looking so similar to Line6 Edit. I'm currently basing my sound round the model of the Fender Twin, as that is the sound I know and use.

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At 45 lbs and 40 watts, I wouldn't exactly consider that small. LOL!
I suppose not. Although I have to say its quite a surprisingly portable amp. I can easily lift it with one hand and carry it over quite some distance. If I tried doing that with a Twin I'd tear my arm off after just a few steps. It probably helps that it has 2x10" speakers instead of 2x12". Those seem to save a lot of weight.

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Best cleans I ever hear are the 40+ wattage amps. Not just because of the wattage, but because of the transformers. Smaller wattage amps just don't have the low end thump in the cleans in my experience. I get the best cleans out of a big-watt amp through a re-amper for cleans to get it to the right volume.
Perhaps. Like I said, I LOVE my old Fender Twin. But I refuse to take it on the road anymore as the sound is just not enough of a trade off against its enormous weight. If I can get there 90% or more along the way using analog or digital modeling that's good enough for me in a rehearsal and/or live setting. Maybe I would break out the Twin in a studio but currently my analog rig is geared towards using that AMT F1 preamp modeler over a Marshall poweramp. It might sound completely different using ye olde trusty Twin. It would take some time to get everything to sound right again using that Twin amp. And studio time is expensive. And I can't do it at home, otherwise I would get visits from angry neighbors with pitch forks and burning torches.
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^If I had a Twin, I'd get a head shell made for it and move the chassis over. Then get a lightweight 2x12 or something. Cuts down on the weight just be separating the chassis from the speakers.
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you know, AMP1 is much lighter than whatever you guys are talking about and it's 100W head! and it's tube driven
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you know, AMP1 is much lighter than whatever you guys are talking about and it's 100W head! and it's tube driven
Both preamp and power tube? I don't think it's possible for an all tube 100 watt amp to be that small or light.

Edit: yeah, that's not tube driven. There are zero tubes in it.
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Both preamp and power tube? I don't think it's possible for an all tube 100 watt amp to be that small or light.

Edit: yeah, that's not tube driven. There are zero tubes in it.
but it says it's got smaller tubes, though.
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ok I'm sure it's not tube driven in a traditional way.
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ok I'm sure it's not tube driven in a traditional way.
You say it like that's a bad thing. It doesn't have to be. Where is it written down that the only way to get good sound is by using technology from the 1950's? I would be glad if this thing would deliver good tone without tubes. They're unreliable little buggers, tubes. They wear out, can break down even from bedroom use. Let alone from hauling them around on the road. It's almost 2016, lets have a little less tubes are the alpha and the omega, and a lot more let's explore what modern technology has to offer us.
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