Bono: our most complete and radical album yet

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You're asking them to remake old sounds because you prefer them. How very noble of you.

It's been said a million times, ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE!

GibsonExplorer, you feel they suck, more power to you. If you want to have that opinion, have it.

But for fuck's sake, will all you people have these opinions on your own in dark corners, where you can do whatever you want to yourself while listening to the old music.

You don't like it, well done, noone cares. This would be like going onto a Democrats forum and saying, Obama sucks, I love John McCain.

You are preaching to the wrong crowd dude.
 
innovation-from Webster's

Main Entry: in·no·va·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌi-nə-ˈvā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : the introduction of something new
2 : a new idea, method, or device : novelty

Thus, to do something no one else has before you - my words.
 
It's been said a million times, ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE!

GibsonExplorer, you feel they suck, more power to you. If you want to have that opinion, have it.

But for fuck's sake, will all you people have these opinions on your own in dark corners, where you can do whatever you want to yourself while listening to the old music.

You don't like it, well done, noone cares. This would be like going onto a Democrats forum and saying, Obama sucks, I love John McCain.

You are preaching to the wrong crowd dude.


I think that it's sad when we all go to places where preachers preach to already converted.
What you are suggesting is that if someone has different view than the rest (majority?) than he should go away, be by himself and speak only when no one can hear him/her....

I have to say that I don't like this stance on forums....with different viewpoints it's at least interesting
 
I think that it's sad when we all go to places where preachers preach to already converted.
What you are suggesting is that if someone has different view than the rest (majority?) than he should go away, be by himself and speak only when no one can hear him/her....

I have to say that I don't like this stance on forums....with different viewpoints it's at least interesting

Well you obviously didn't read what I said. People can have OPINIONS. When people state opinions that offend or demean others and state them as fact, then they have no business doing that here. You may have OPINIONS, not overriding, domineering natures that tell other people how to think about something as subjective as music
 
You're asking them to remake old sounds because you prefer them. How very noble of you.


I don't see anywhere where I said such a thing. For me, I don't care if they change their style. Bands like New Pornographers eschew guitar technique and effects but still create crowd-pleasing rock while impressing the critics as well (don't tell me U2 is not interested in critical praise because you know that's a load of shit).

It's a shame U2 became the 'conventional' band that the fans here used to call out in unison.
 
I've survived since 2001. I don't post nearly as much as some of yous but it looks like the mods appreciate a dose of reality every now and then.

Yeah, because your opinion represents reality while the rest of us, or at least those who dare to have a different opinion, are deluded.

OK, you can have your opinion and stick to it and express it anytime, but don't tell other people that you are closer to the truth or to reality, because you're not.

You're not "right" and others are not "wrong", it's all a matter of opinion.

And my opinion is that U2 is anything but a "conventional" band.
 
I've survived since 2001. I don't post nearly as much as some of yous but it looks like the mods appreciate a dose of reality every now and then.

Reality?

Making elitist comments like:

It certainly speaks volumes of the level of understanding of music production in this fansite.

or nonsensical comments like:

the last 2 albums wouldn't have been such duds if it weren't for certain people claiming each was an end-to-end masterpiece.

isn't reality.
 
And my opinion is that U2 is anything but a "conventional" band.

Compared to the groups that are making a significant splash in the music industry nowadays, U2 is very much a conventional band. Straightforward rock with your usual hooks and choruses, run-of-the-mill rhythms and chord progressions, lyrics that try too hard.

If the new U2 album breaks out of this mold, I'll have my faith restored in them, but now is not the best point of their career and that's not an opinion.

It's so funny how people are nitpicking over the words Bono used to describe the albums before they were released. "Oh, he didn't say this, he said this, and this definitely doesn't mean that." Oh my god, listen to yourselves!
 
So what do you think Daniel Lanois means when he says U2 are making another innovative record?

Do you honestly think U2 have ever made an innovative record by your defintion?

hmm...maybe this means Bono really is going to fart out the lyrics instead of singing them! :D

(for those humour impaired members this is a joke playing off the oft heard comment about U2 fans thinking even Bono's farts are profound and highly musical.)
 
U2 is very much a conventional band. Straightforward rock with your usual hooks and choruses, run-of-the-mill rhythms and chord progressions, lyrics that try too hard.

If the new U2 album breaks out of this mold, I'll have my faith restored in them

Statements like this crack me up. Aside from some lyrical shortcomings on some of the new songs--mainly, a shift from ethereal to concrete--the remainder of your description of "modern" U2 is essentially a description of everything U2's ever done, save maybe a few songs on Passengers. Usual hooks & choruses? Sounds like every U2 album to me. Common rhythms & chord progressions? Sounds like every U2 album to me. What are you implying--that the 90s didn't use "usual" hooks, choruses, chord progressions, etc? Are you serious?

The 90s were "inventive" in that they gave U2 a new angle for themselves. There was a harder edge and a harder image, but it wasn't some magical wonderland where they reinvented musickind as we know it and all your dreams come true. Using your definition of boring, modern U2, 90s U2 were just as musically boring as they were in the 80s and are today.

I think the 90s were amazing and that it was a brilliant time to be a U2 fan. But all of this lust for the past that plagues a contingent of this board is a combination of a love of the 90s image and harder sound, and a "we used to walk uphill both ways" flavor of nostalgia.
 
So what do you think Daniel Lanois means when he says U2 are making another innovative record?

Do you honestly think U2 have ever made an innovative record by your defintion?

I believe Lanois was referring to the bass sound in particular. I know he said this will "explore the (sonic? I think) boundaries like AB did" but U2 in the 90's didn't do anything that wasn't out there before, they just put their own spin on it.

No, they haven't. But hey, tell that to the "U2 were the best thing since sliced bread in the 90's" legions.
 
ATYCLB is a great album but I agree that HTDAAB is a dud. See what happens. I'm just hoping for some good quality songs on this next album.


I agree that ATYCLB is very easy listening, while HTDAAB, barring a few songs, is a great album. Oh wait, you said something completely different and nonsensical. I guess then I don't agree. :sexywave:

Bono said nothing about the "quality" of the album - just that he felt it was complete and radical. Both ATYCLB and HTDAAB stand out as a great collection of songs. This was U2's goal at the time. And while I appreciate the innovation on some of HTDAAB (while ATYCLB does seem more "safe") as albums - using the definition of an album - they don't stand out. I think it's for this reason that many fans aren't as appreciative of this era.

That said, looking back on UF and JT, we had more complete albums, but with songs that sounded way too similar (barring a few exceptions). So there is some benefit to having a collection of songs rather than a "complete album".

The only time I felt U2 succeeded in having both a great collection of songs and a great album was with AB. AB was also a rather radical departure, for the most part, for U2. This is why I think people here are hoping for something that is reminiscent of AB - not in terms of music, but in terms of innovation.

To me, this is very minimal hype. It's so minor that it almost is reminiscent of AB, when U2 didn't really discuss the release that much. As such, it will be interesting to see what is created.
 
Defiinitely time for a complete album this time. :yes:

Already there are comparisons to U2's previous output (Stuck, LWTSH, Acrobat, Vertigo...) so I'm not sure on the "radical" front.
 
Defiinitely time for a complete album this time. :yes:

Already there are comparisons to U2's previous output (Stuck, LWTSH, Acrobat, Vertigo...) so I'm not sure on the "radical" front.

but we have sexy boots this time...c'mon... :rockon:
 
fuck innovation, fuck radical... just give me some solid rocking U2 songs and I am very happy with it. I don't get all this obsession with innovation anyways! Nowadays it's hard to be innovative because so many artists explored so many different aspects of music and no matter how "innovative" U2 get I am sure they will sound like some other band and I am sure people here would complain about that anyway!
 
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