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Just watched it. Haven't seen any other episodes this season, I stopped watching it regularly a couple years ago, but I've always identified as a fan of the show so those last few minutes were appropriately painful to watch. I really get the impression that Trey and Matt will end it here.

I'm going to watch some of the other episodes from this season you guys were talking about, City Sushi up next (any episode with the City Wok guy tends to make me laugh until I cry). And The Biggest Douche in the Universe is probably my favourite ever episode, though it's a tough call.
 
Well, as background there's been a marked increase in self reflection and commentary on some of the show's own tropes the last few seasons (see the Mysterion trilogy of episodes, for example), and some behind-the-scenes issues with Comedy Central and censorship for episodes 200 and 201. Tonight's episode was about Matt Stone and Trey Parker feeling isolated from the energy of the show- the pretext is it's set after Stan's 10th birthday party, where he realizes he's getting old/cynical and not liking the things the rest of his friends do. The South Park "twist" (admittedly a little cliche) is that stuff you don't get (like The Police/Bob Dylan to kids, or dubstep to adults) literally sounds like crap. Again, Randy is the token adult who goes crazy trying to prove that he's young, but at the end of it Sharon and Randy have an ostensible conversation actually directed to the audience from Matt/Trey about how they're moving apart, just aren't into what they loved before, and (Randy/Marsh) decide to get a divorce. Then a montage set to Fleetwood Mac's "Landslide" covers how the boys are splitting apart: Kyle and Cartman are hanging out and actually enjoying each other's company, Stan's alone and cynical, and the episode ends with Sharon moving out and Stan just staring at the ceiling in his empty bedroom.

I have no idea if the show's going to be back this fall.

yea it's certainly interesting... part of me thinks it's a ploy on the part of matt & trey to get people talking... maybe even to make comedy central nervous.

i don't see their creative partnership breaking up... i mean they just released a broadway show, which has been a massive success thus far.

i just hope somebody will save them britches :sad:
 
Yeah, that one still kills me even nine years after airing. Shit, that makes me feel old. I remember getting into this show by getting the VHS copies of S1 from Blockbuster when I was 11 years old. Unbelievable.

Well, now you've got me thinking about it, and it's pretty incredible just how long it's been. My brother was into it in 1997, he taped the episodes and I'd watch sometimes, age 8 or so, well aware that it was beyond my boundaries but I couldn't help but feel somewhat privileged watching it, let alone knowing it existed (as Cobbler stated, it has always been on SBS, which has an international focus and is oft stereotyped by the Australian public as just being a whole bunch of arty French porn). Then in '98 or so it seriously broke into the mainstream, and we were a little worried, even then, that it was going to jump the shark. Of course, the best of it hadn't even started.

Even now, I'd rather watch later episodes of South Park than later episodes of the Simpsons - there's just something inherently funny about the show, how the characters - particularly the adults - act and overact, and the mixture of unabashed stupidity with genuine sincerity. It has worn thin, yes, but it's still a joy to return to.
 
I'm confident that they'll at least finish out the season and not cut it short as some others have suggested. If there's one thing they've shown us over the years, it's that despite their dick and fart jokes, they're really sentimental saps deep down. There's no way they'll just leave the characters hanging without a proper send off.
 
cobl04 said:
Shame The Simpsons is so shit these days.

South Park has gotten that way too. I nearly stopped watching during S12 because it was so boring, and S13 wasn't really jumping out at me either after, so I did take a break from the show.

Let me guess: in this great new emotional episode, the government isn't inexplicably involved? Fuck them for running that into the ground.

Need to see this now.
 
LemonMelon said:
South Park has gotten that way too. I nearly stopped watching during S12 because it was so boring, and S13 wasn't really jumping out at me either after, so I did take a break from the show.

There are some classic episodes from both those seasons. Major Boobage was hilarious. Canada on Strike was really funny, buddeh. Margaritaville was a solid episode, guy. And Pee contains one of Cartman's best songs ever, friend
 
Jive Turkey said:
There are some classic episodes from both those seasons. Major Boobage was hilarious. Canada on Strike was really funny, buddeh. Margaritaville was a solid episode, guy. And Pee contains one of Cartman's best songs ever, friend

Yeah, you picked out the highlights (I would add The Coon). But then Britney's New Look exists.

The List is the last episode that I really loved. Masterpiece.
 
Ya, I'll give you that. It's not as consistent as it used to be, but there are still a lot of classics. That's where it differs from the Simpsons to me. Simpsons just blows all around.
There are still too many awesome episodes of South Park for me to want them too call it a day
 
As far as the "adult" cartoons I actually watch are concerned, in their current incarnations:

1. King of the Hill (I realize it was canceled a while back, but I wanted to emphasize that it never really went that far downhill)
2. South Park (has grown unbearably inconsistent, but occasionally hits a homerun)
3. Simpsons (kinda crappy, but I still love the characters)
3. American Dad (always was kinda crappy, but it is watchable every now and again)
5. Family Guy (great prior to season 4, hideous afterward)
6. Cleveland Show (I would laugh harder if someone ranked this higher than dead last than I ever have at the show)

What I've seen from Venture Bros. would place it at the top spot. Quality show. Haven't seen any new Futurama to rank it.
 
I looooooath King of the Hill. It might be a cultural thing, but I don't know one person in real life who likes it. I would rather stick a crochet needle in my urethra than sit through an episode of that. Same goes for any Seth MacFarlane shows. Futurama is pretty hilarious though (or at least was. I'm with you on not having seen many new ones). South Park still gets top billing from me. Even the bad episodes get at least one solid laugh. I'd also say the good ones still outnumber the bad ones
 
south park's shows have always been hit or miss... some seasons are more hit, others are more miss. the seasons that tend to be more miss also tend to occur at times when they are heavily involved in other projects... the season before the south park movie came out was a stinker...
 
Loved most of what they did in the first eight seasons of the show and Season 8 might have even been the best. After that, it pretty much went off a cliff. There's one great or tolerable episode out of each batch of seven and the rest pretty much all sucked. Due to friends watching and such, I did see Seasons 9-12 in their entirety, but 12 was pretty much the nail in the coffin. I've seen a few more recent ones and they seem even less sharp than those were. I honestly feel that Trey & Matt would be better off slinking away now that actually finishing out their contract and the few more seasons it requires.

What frustrates me the most is South Park is probably the epitome of a series getting a free pass from its viewers and critics. Appealing to a young male audience means a show can never die (animated sitcoms, Daily Show, etc.) since they to tune in for such few series and networks earn a whopping amount of money in order to show advertisements to these coveted eyeballs. Watching South Park turn a bit sour and seeing few people bat an eye made me know that by the time they started churning out mediocre material on a consistent basis that nobody would really be whining. It's just unfair that people can level criticism at The Simpsons for running off the cliff ten years ago when most of what they did from 2000-onward (aside from the last three years or so) was far, far better than what South Park or Family Guy have been producing over the last few years.
 
Watching South Park turn a bit sour and seeing few people bat an eye made me know that by the time they started churning out mediocre material on a consistent basis that nobody would really be whining. It's just unfair that people can level criticism at The Simpsons for running off the cliff ten years ago when most of what they did from 2000-onward (aside from the last three years or so) was far, far better than what South Park or Family Guy have been producing over the last few years.

No.

(ignoring anyhting to do with Family Guy, which has been shit since it made it's return in 2005, and the first few seasons have also dated pretty badly).
 
Seasons 9-11 of South Park are extraordinarily inconsistent, and I feel that they started to rely on 2-3 episode arcs too much. Regardless, there are at least four or five excellent episodes from each of those seasons. Is the quality lower? Sure, but I saw no reason to complain until recently.

In contrast, I have no idea how a population of functioning individuals that can dress themselves and drive to work watches Family Guy enough to keep it on the air. It's pure trash; there is zero character development of any kind (characterizations come and go as jokes dictate), awful pacing, poor plots and jokes that take forever to develop, if they ever even manage to. And when they do, the punchline is inevitably not worth the effort. The show has become one giant pisstake and a running insult to its loyal fanbase, which should have given up on the show 5 years ago. /rant
 
LemonMelon said:
In contrast, I have no idea how a population of functioning individuals that can dress themselves and drive to work watches Family Guy enough to keep it on the air.


Hahaha well said
 
Season 3 was probably my favorite and 2 was quite as good as well. They were producing solid stuff despite also going through all of the effort to make that hilarious film.

The only one of the first 8 that I'd rank noticeably below the others is the first season. Weird targets to go after and a lot of seemed like shock value more than anything else.

Family Guy has pretty much always been terrible, but there were a few gems in the first three seasons. As for South Park, its ratings have taken a pretty big slide from last season and I'm starting to see negative reactions towards their current material pop up on a lot of forums. I'm still confused as to why it didn't happen sooner and also why a huge chunk of the audience is still gumming these new ones down without complaining.
 
Good news

Parker and Stone were on The Daily Show tonight. Jon Stewart asked them about the last show and if they ever think "fuck this". They replied that they love South Park and it's still their thing. No plans to cancel the show. w00t
 
They took a shot at Spiderman, and please, like everyone else hadn't taken the same potshot.

They took no shots at Bono & Edge. The bit was hilarious. "Who are these rapscallions?" And the thing about dreading losing first to Phil Collins and then to Bono was awesome.
 
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