Random Music Talk CXXXI: Interference Finally Gets Its Revenge on Cobbler

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Ironic that you want to have a very narrow definition of what a b-side is, and using the non-USA model as the norm, while at the same time disqualifying Baby You’re a Rich Man, which was only an album track…*checks notes*…in the USA, since Magical Mystery Tour is technically an EP + singles and b-sides, and only put together as an album for the American market.

Your main argument seemed to be that Noel/Oasis are so great, that they have a lot of songs that didn’t even make their albums which are just as good as the “prime time” stuff. I gave you two examples of artists who both preceded and followed them who can make the same claim.

If you want to move the goalposts, whatever.
I don’t think calling things the extra songs not promoted through an album or as a single released to radio is a narrow definition for b side.

The point is taken re the Beatles given that was the intention at the time, but it’s been marketed as a standalone album in all markets for 50 years and is always treated as such in remaster campaigns like the stereo and mono boxes released in like 2009.

I feel like citing the Beatles in any musical argument is like playing Top Trumps with one card that beats every other card in every single category. Comparing hockey players to Gretzky, hitters to Ruth, cricketers to Bradman. You tend to have conversations that exclude them because they are incontestably the top of most categories.
 
edit: i may have misread someone else's post, for the first time ever

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Very sad that Fatman Scoop passed away today. Be Faithful is an absolutely monstrous banger.

In other news, Birds of a Feather by Billie Eilish is a great song. That beat is to die for.
 
I don't remember if I mentioned it before, but is anyone reminded of The Sundays when they hear Birds of a Feather? Billie sounds a lot like Harriet Wheeler in some parts of the song.
 
Regarding all of the Oasis talk, like them or not, they were the biggest band in the UK for the entirety of their run. Leaving aside which BritPop band was better, or when their output dropped off, every album and every tour was an event in the UK. They outlasted their 90s and 2000s contemporaries (reunions notwithstanding) and their music has been a constant presence ever since. Probably the most culturally significant band of my lifetime, but easy to dismiss if you weren't there for it.

Read about the absolute shambles of a ticket drop over the weekend, dynamic pricing can die in a fire.
 
For what it's worth, Supergrass didn't break up until 2010, Oasis ended a year earlier.

Both bands' final albums came out in 2008, as Supergrass's follow-up was never completed/released.
 
I don’t think calling things the extra songs not promoted through an album or as a single released to radio is a narrow definition for b side.
I'll make one more response on this topic: Two artists that I neglected to mention before are Bob Dylan and Prince, who have so many b-sides, outtakes, and non-album tracks that are top quality, they dwarf everyone I can think of by comparison. More of Dylan's have been officially released on various compilations, but the stuff he left off his studio albums (particularly Infidels, Oh Mercy, and Time Out of Mind) for often inexplicable reasons is legendary among his fanbase.

Prince wrote, recorded, and released at a prolific pace similar to Dylan, but material is still being slowly released by his estate--thanks to the recent boxed set you can technically now reconstruct what would have been "Crystal Ball", the triple-album version of Sign O' the Times, without having to resort to third-party bootlegs, if I'm not mistaken. But right after his death I downloaded a collection of everything that's floating around in the ether and it's astonishing what was left on the table and still unheard by the mainstream public.
 
For what it's worth, Supergrass didn't break up until 2010, Oasis ended a year earlier.

Both bands' final albums came out in 2008, as Supergrass's follow-up was never completed/released.

Didn't realise that. I think it was 2005 when I saw them at a club show and they just faded away after that album. There's still no comparison between the successes of their respective final albums; Oasis with a #1 album and #3 lead single, Supergrass with a #19 album and #73 wide release single. Oasis broke up on top while Supergrass sadly left almost without anyone noticing. Yes, these are just stats and numbers but they help to explain why the general UK public passion for Oasis endures.

I don't have much to add for the b side discussion. Oasis' The Masterplan was pretty much regarded as their third best album, which is either high praise for a collection of b sides mostly from their first two albums or a backhanded swipe at the quality of albums 3-7. Probably somewhere in the middle. But it's a stretch to put them as the best b sides band ever. I still love The Masterplan, it's a testament to the 90s when artists were expected to deliver enough b sides for an EP for each single release and Noel made it look easy.
 
Verve was such a good band in its first phase. Voyager 1, Verve EP and A Storm in Heaven are gorgeous.

I listened to Nowhere by Ride today for the first time in awhile and that is another fantastic record (just like Going Blank Again). Andy Bell never did manage to use his talents in a more conservative Oasis milieu.

I prefer that kind of sonically majestic music to Oasis, but there is just something about the melancholic exuberance of Oasis' best tracks that will make it a fookin' drunken treat live. So yeah, Heaton Park, here I come.
 
Just to finish my original point about Oasis and B-sides - there are many, many musicians and bands out there with fantastic and famous B-sides/outtakes, and The Beatles are certainly up there, but in terms of how Oasis' B-sides are perceived within their fanbases and where they stand compared to songs from proper studio albums, I can think of very few examples (another one that did come to mind now is Suede's Sci-Fi Lullabies) where, for instance, a B-side compilation is almost without any exception ranked among the top 3 records a band has did.

This does not mean that I personally think best Oasis B-sides are better songs than, say, the best Radiohead ones.

Lost Dogs is a great B-side collection which includes, among many others, Yellow Ledbetter, but there are relatively few Pearl Jam fans or lists on the internetz that will include it in their top 3 "albums".

Check any "rank Oasis albums" list and The Masterplan will often be there at no. 3, sometimes even above. It does help that The Masterplan is more concise than many of the B-side compilations that other artists have released and that were spread over two or three discs (e.g. Waits' Orphans, and even the aforementioned Sci-Fi Lullabies has a polarizing 2nd disc), and there is the "advantage" of having a discography that has turned, well, to shit in the 2nd half of their career, so the competition is lighter.

In any case, they better play Acquiesce and The Masterplan next year!

(and this is only pertaining to The Masterplan; they could easily have released another set of popular B-sides that were not included on that compilation and it would be among the most popular song collections they have)
 
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I reckon only a handful of people I know would know who Supergrass are, and I couldn't name a song by them, literally everyone knows who Oasis are.

This whole thing has been very interesting to watch as a neutral observer. I think Wonderwall is good as are a couple of other Oasis songs I've heard but I don't really have any interest in seeking them out further, I'm not sure I'd even go if they were playing here in Melbourne. I saw Noel open for U2 on JT32 and it was good. The vast majority of people have lost their fucking minds as if this is the second coming of Christ, and I actually was stunned when I saw/remembered that they were active as recently as 15 years ago, and then both Liam and Noel have continued to be very active with pretty similar solo bands that both played Oasis songs live. And then you have this other subset of people that are annoyed with how big Oasis are and how big the reaction is, and some really interesting commentary on their perceived conservatism/laissez faire attitude (Laz posted a pretty interesting interview with Kele Okereke on them). And they absolutely have a point, because the worst person in the fucking world Andrew Tate wrote a boring fucking essay on Twitter about how Oasis was the best of Britain and now everything's too woke.

But, you definitely can't deny the cold hard facts, they're huge, clearly mean a lot to millions of people, hence the hysteria and the almost Swift-esque drama trying to get tickets.
 
The mention above of Sci-Fi Lullabies made me realize I had totally forgotten about Suede (aka "The London Suede"), another Brit Pop band I would rank above Oasis. There's always the debate about whether they were still the same after Bernard Butler left, but personally I think Coming Up is their finest album.

If you're not familiar with Supergrass I'd highly recommend checking them out. More of a Kinks/The Who/Stones/Faces influence than their contemporaries, dirtier and looser. For my money I think Gaz Goombes has the best rock and roll singing voice from that whole era of UK rock (on this side of the Atlantic I'd go with Britt Daniel of Spoon). There's not one album that towers over their discography as they were pretty consistent, with not too much variation across their career. Normally I wouldn't recommend a greatest hits compilation but Supergrass is 10 really does cover most of the bases over 21 tracks. Of course the debut is also a perfectly reasonable intro and if you like that you'll probably enjoy the rest of their work.

Really glad I was able to catch their reunion tour which was delayed due to Covid and made good in 2021 if memory serves. They were in fine form and Gan can still belt it out.
 
+1 for Supergrass is 10. If we're talking great voices in rock, then Paul Westerberg has to be in contention for the mid 80s.

Coming off a massive Mats binge I've been listening to a fair bit of punk / alt lately, stuff like Descendents, Misfits, Seven Seconds. Can the Interference Hive Mind recommend any other bands where the heaviness is cut through with catchy hooks? Everything Sucks has been a repeat listen for a while, love how Milo can find a new melody at just the right time for each song.
 
I listened to Rubber Soul and Revolver tonight and it fucking breaks my brain that those albums were made in 1965-66.
 
I’ve been in the UK during the whole Oasis thing. Last time I spent this long in the UK the queen died. Sort of the same level of social engagement 😅
 
Coming off a massive Mats binge I've been listening to a fair bit of punk / alt lately, stuff like Descendents, Misfits, Seven Seconds. Can the Interference Hive Mind recommend any other bands where the heaviness is cut through with catchy hooks? Everything Sucks has been a repeat listen for a while, love how Milo can find a new melody at just the right time for each song.
Husker Du is the obvious answer here, though personally I prefer Bob Mould’s subsequent (and short-lived) band Sugar, which veers into alt-rock/power pop. Their album Copper Blue is one of the decade’s best IMO. For the former I’d go with Flip Your Wig or Warehouse: Songs and Stories; the earlier albums are good too but the recordings are pretty rough.
 
Cheers Laz. Big fan of THE DU, was able to catch Bob on his Copper Blue 20th anniversary tour. I haven't actually listened to Warehouse though, so I'll put that on soon.

Flip Your Wig is a great shout though, definitely what I'm looking for more of. I don't mind the rough sound as the performances and melodies come through naturally, preferring that to a more polished sound lately. Amazing that they put out New Day Rising and Flip Your Wig in the same year.
 
Glad I was speaking your language!

Speaking of old nicknames in all-caps, former Dirty Projectors member Amber Coffman aka THE COFF recently came up on one of my dating apps.

I wish Imperor was her to see this, though he would not approve of my failure to send a like/message and make contact.
 
Why would you not send a like?!

Stella Donnelly works in the cafe across the road from work and she knows me now. She had a gig a couple weeks ago and she recognised me and had a chat on the way out.
 
Just play it cool and ask if she wants to go tubing sometime.

Still a surprise to me when working musicians / actors are working regular jobs. My wife used to work in the same office as Royal Headache's drummer, he was well pressed for the inside scoop after their Lolla tour.
 
It makes me really sad. Stella's music is exceptional, her live shows are amazing, it sucks that she has to supplement her income at a cafe.
 
I'm seeing Broken Social Scene tomorrow. Haven't seen them since 2008. Time flies. Also Cause = Time, so I guess cause flies too.
 

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