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I question the general U2 fan too when it comes to the subtle/rare songs. All the talking & moving around during the Sphere when they played Acrobat, So Cruel, & LOB was upsetting. And even during the JT Tour. U2 is advertising they are playing the albums in whole. Not knowing these songs going in or taking the time to listen to them is crazy.
Sphere was a special attraction in Vegas so idiotic lookie loos were inevitable. JT30 was a stadium tour for their biggest album so of course a bunch of casuals who probably hadn’t seen U2 since the 360 tour (or earlier/ever) showed up. After the 4 hit intro and the first 5 JT songs, the they probably tuned out until the (lame) encore.

If they advertised an “only album cuts and b-sides” tour dedicated to me, other people would still show up because it’s U2.
 
I'm probably one of the unlucky few who really is chomping at the bit for a new album, so another delay is a bummer. I mean, by this point in the year it was obvious, but it did seem it wasn't impossible that it could have been this year.

Now, if the trade off is we wait a few more months but get Mercy in the meantime? Hell yes I will make that trade. But if they fuck with the song, or just don't include anything new on the box (which is kind of what I figure will be the case), that's gonna annoy me a lot. I mean, I'm sure the new album was going to get delayed anyway, but give us something. Anything!
 
I was at the Phoenix 2 show too for IE (1 was a better show) & Miracle Drug was a strange choice to open the encore. And it did suck the air out. For the most part everyone was into both nights & that song was the only dud of the weekend.

I question the general U2 fan too when it comes to the subtle/rare songs. All the talking & moving around during the Sphere when they played Acrobat, So Cruel, & LOB was upsetting. And even during the JT Tour. U2 is advertising they are playing the albums in whole. Not knowing these songs going in or taking the time to listen to them is crazy. In some ways, its a reflection of concert goers not aware or too impatient to enjoy the music. LOB was awesome at the Sphere!
I would say at the Sphere those were the people there just because it was the new venue and place to be in Las Vegas. So of course they didn't even know Acrobat or Love is Blindness or So Cruel.

There to drink, talk, take selfies, and brag to people that they were there.
 
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I'm probably one of the unlucky few who really is chomping at the bit for a new album, so another delay is a bummer. I mean, by this point in the year it was obvious, but it did seem it wasn't impossible that it could have been this year.

Now, if the trade off is we wait a few more months but get Mercy in the meantime? Hell yes I will make that trade. But if they fuck with the song, or just don't include anything new on the box (which is kind of what I figure will be the case), that's gonna annoy me a lot. I mean, I'm sure the new album was going to get delayed anyway, but give us something. Anything!
I'm the same way, mostly interested in new music, and whilst the odds were already looking bleak at this point, it's still a downer to know for sure we won't get a new album until 2025 at the earliest.

But I'd be happy with a HTDAAB re-release in the meantime, purely if it means we get an official release of Mercy. Hell, I'd actually prefer the newer arrangement that they were working on - I don't hate the new lines as much as others do, and we do already technically have the original studio version, just not in great quality. I'd find a newer version of the song in studio form pretty fun.

I'm actually quite hopeful we'll get Mercy - it was left off the album at the very last minute, and they've tried to resurrect it on at least two occasions, so it definitely means something to them. I could definitely see it as a 'single', potentially re-arranged and produced by Lillywhite (who did something similar for the re-done RHMT that was released for the JT anniversary set, and who produced HTDAAB, and is said to be producing their next album).
 
I think one of two things will happen:

A - Mercy is further developed than WAIE and is pushed as a single.

B - it is left off entirely because they see it as a “song of ascent” - which is why we’ve never seen a studio North Star, I Believe or All My Life either. EBW is the only song of ascent that was released, and given the constant reworking and Bono’s comment in the the Disney doc, they still don’t see it as finished. Every chance there is an EBW reprisal on there as well.

I think the least likely is the original version untouched, but we could call that option C. We know they pulled it, and for a reason, and we know they’ve significantly developed it since. I could have seen it being the song to push a demos/leftovers collection, and maybe there is an option D that is it is held back for whatever that is, whenever it is.

This demos album idea seems very much in the SOS mould - Larry not quite up to a full album tour, so Edge keeps himself busy with a project that the others contribute a bit to and sign off on at the end. If they put that on the shelf in favour of HTDAAB box I think that bodes well for getting things moving re album and tour in Q1/2 next year.
 
I was thinking that as well - if Mercy is nowhere to be found on the HTDAAB reissue, it'll be very deliberate.

The u2songs person mentioned on another forum a while back that he interviewed Daniel Lanois a few years ago, who said Mercy was one of a trilogy of songs that he'd "fight" to put onto Songs of Ascent, were it to ever be released.

Between Songs of Ascent being likely held back as the final album, and Mercy getting continuously revisited but not officially released, I think it's very likely the band have that song in the bag, to be - as you say - a 'song of ascent'.

I think it's inclusion - or absence - from the upcoming HTDAAB reissue will be telling, either way.
 
this is some acknowledgement about people's short attention spans, or if they're just totally inept.

Probably the latter
U2 are in this sense a victim of their own success.

There are too many casual deadbeats that want to hear Elevation and a couple of other hitz at their shows and have no patience for anything else.
U2 is essentially in Aerosmith territory at this point (you could chuck in stadium headliners in most of the world Coldplay as well among some others). So many people know enough songs off the radio and the like that they're willing to go and see the band. I'd honestly take it as far as 1/3 of people just at the arena shows alone here in the United States have never even bothered listening to a proper U2 studio album all the way through. The numbers get worse annually as streaming continues to take over and people just listen to shuffle, playlists or Top Songs.

I'm sure anybody who went to Aerosmith on their farewell tour and saw them bust out a classic like Seasons of Wither would notice that the audience's attention span mostly evaporated. Same for album tracks that aren't fast and loud rockers like Adam's Apple (which is from their biggest selling album, even).

Hell, I remember someone reviewing a local gig Brian Wilson played on his tour with The Zombies and it was an old woman saying, "took my husband to see Brian and we really liked it but didn't like the weird songs like that one about Friends that we had never heard before"

It was literally a tour that was all about Brian and his band playing a lot of selections from the Friends and Surf's Up albums which were released in 1968 and 1971 respectively. These concertgoers had ~50 years to actually listen to that stuff, but they had instead bought tickets in order to hear Surfin' USA in the encore. Hell, I went and saw Brian do Pet Sounds and the biggest reaction from the audience (particularly the oldest ones) was the early hits played at the fucking end which required far less effort from the sizable band Brian had with him and he'd often preface playing the next song from Pet Sounds with something akin to "I hope you all will like this next one. It's not a rock song but we'll have those at the end of the show"...embarrassed to play material from fucking Pet Sounds!
 
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We've clocked the T-Rex at 32 miles per hour.

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You have a T-Rex?

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We have a T-Rex!

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Know we say it every time there’s a photo

But why have these glasses stuck ? He’s changed so many since the 90s but these….
 
Props to Bono for managing to look even older than Springsteen.

Regarding Mercy and Dan's post above, it's clear that any version they release different from what was leaked is going to be a mistake. If you think U2 in 2024 is going to improve on anything they did 20 years ago you're insane. And removing the "ripping the stitches" pre-chorus is an absolute mortal sin. "On top of that, "You want to kill me and I want to die" is a terrible rewrite.

What makes the original so good is its sprawl, and deviating from the more direct/streamlined writing and recording on ATYCLB and HTDAAB. And before any idiots chime in about it being "unfinished", let's remind everyone that according to the interview in the 2004 Blender magazine article it was dropped from the original tracklisting along with Fast Cars because Larry (the true villain of this band) thought the album was too long. Since the version of the latter song that they released as a bonus track is "finished", there's no reason to assume that Mercy wasn't as well, not to mention it fits the description in the article.

Receipts:

As it stands, the album is three seconds shy of an hour and, as Bono says, “too much of a good thing is a bad thing,” so drastic measures need to be taken. “I have a theory,” Mullen begins, and a reverential silence descends as the drummer — traditionally the first band member to be shouted down in these situations — states his case. After just five minutes, it has been unanimously decided that the track “Mercy,” a six-and-a-half-minute outpouring of U2 at its most uninhibitedly U2-ish, must go. Hence a song that any self-respecting band would be proud to call a single becomes what Bono immediately anoints “the best B-side you’ve ever heard.” Later, another more experimental candidate entitled “Fast Cars” (“an Irish/Mexican vibe”) gets evicted, and the album becomes a lean and lithe 11 tracks.

The song didn’t disappear however, in November of that year, just after the album was released, “Mercy” appeared on the internet as a low quality digital file. The song was initially posted on the Interference message boards, by a fan who claimed to have gotten the song from a friend. That friend, would later tell the message board that he had received a copy of the album about a week and a half before the album was released, and it was given to him on cassette by a friend at Interscope Records. The cassette was digitized and burned to CD, and it was played for a group of fans at a house party, and was later ripped from that CD and uploaded to Interference the week of the album release. The claim was made that the song on the cassette sounded unmastered and that some of the levels seemed ‘funky’ even in that format.



What we get from this is that it was still part of the full album in a leaked version, the person didn't get an isolated recording of just Mercy by itself. The reason for the low quality is because it was from a cassette. Not because it's a demo, or hadn't been mixed yet.

Sorry if this is old news to most of you, but there's always some buffoon that wants to chime in that this track wasn't completed and uses this to argue against the quality of the song.
 
Props to Bono for managing to look even older than Springsteen.
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…removing the "ripping the stitches" pre-chorus is an absolute mortal sin. "On top of that, "You want to kill me and I want to die" is a terrible rewrite.
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…What makes the original so good is its sprawl, and deviating from the more direct/streamlined writing and recording on ATYCLB and HTDAAB.
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…Larry (the true villain of this band) thought the album was too long.

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Props to Bono for managing to look even older than Springsteen.

Regarding Mercy and Dan's post above, it's clear that any version they release different from what was leaked is going to be a mistake. If you think U2 in 2024 is going to improve on anything they did 20 years ago you're insane. And removing the "ripping the stitches" pre-chorus is an absolute mortal sin. "On top of that, "You want to kill me and I want to die" is a terrible rewrite.

What makes the original so good is its sprawl, and deviating from the more direct/streamlined writing and recording on ATYCLB and HTDAAB. And before any idiots chime in about it being "unfinished", let's remind everyone that according to the interview in the 2004 Blender magazine article it was dropped from the original tracklisting along with Fast Cars because Larry (the true villain of this band) thought the album was too long. Since the version of the latter song that they released as a bonus track is "finished", there's no reason to assume that Mercy wasn't as well, not to mention it fits the description in the article.

Receipts:

As it stands, the album is three seconds shy of an hour and, as Bono says, “too much of a good thing is a bad thing,” so drastic measures need to be taken. “I have a theory,” Mullen begins, and a reverential silence descends as the drummer — traditionally the first band member to be shouted down in these situations — states his case. After just five minutes, it has been unanimously decided that the track “Mercy,” a six-and-a-half-minute outpouring of U2 at its most uninhibitedly U2-ish, must go. Hence a song that any self-respecting band would be proud to call a single becomes what Bono immediately anoints “the best B-side you’ve ever heard.” Later, another more experimental candidate entitled “Fast Cars” (“an Irish/Mexican vibe”) gets evicted, and the album becomes a lean and lithe 11 tracks.

The song didn’t disappear however, in November of that year, just after the album was released, “Mercy” appeared on the internet as a low quality digital file. The song was initially posted on the Interference message boards, by a fan who claimed to have gotten the song from a friend. That friend, would later tell the message board that he had received a copy of the album about a week and a half before the album was released, and it was given to him on cassette by a friend at Interscope Records. The cassette was digitized and burned to CD, and it was played for a group of fans at a house party, and was later ripped from that CD and uploaded to Interference the week of the album release. The claim was made that the song on the cassette sounded unmastered and that some of the levels seemed ‘funky’ even in that format.



What we get from this is that it was still part of the full album in a leaked version, the person didn't get an isolated recording of just Mercy by itself. The reason for the low quality is because it was from a cassette. Not because it's a demo, or hadn't been mixed yet.

Sorry if this is old news to most of you, but there's always some buffoon that wants to chime in that this track wasn't completed and uses this to argue against the quality of the song.
Can’t argue with much of this. I’m just suggesting what I think will happen, not what I want to happen.

Only thing I will argue against is that “you want to kill me and I want to die, we were meant for each other you and I” isn’t a terrible lyric. It’s just not a U2 lyric. If it was in a Killers song it would sound perfectly fine.
 
Only took 10 years and a residency for their best album in a $2b building to somewhat dull the hit on their image.
Forget tiktokers with the attention spam of a hamster and lazy reviews.
JT2017 and SoI tours were hits.

I remember people moaning about Spiderman debacle... And they bounced back with 360. And we all know the comeback after they got shot down for Rattle and Hum...

Nice to see the vaults opening up with the ZooEP and rumoured outtakes. Less so Bomb reissue. Mercy is done... I think Smile will.be a single if anything. I fear a lazy ATYCLB remaster appproach.

Their live future willl depend on Larry handling the next tour. Some say Bram but nah. It was one thing to jump in for those few months but a year long worldwide trek? No way.
 
The iTunes thing was a we bit bigger than Spider-Man.

But yes, U2 remain popular with the olds. Under 35? A punchline. That's the problem. They should be in their respected older statesman of rock phase with that demographic. But they're not.

If you want to keep touring while old, the main problem is you eventually you run out of olds.
 
As somebody who thinks Mercy is as generic, lukewarm and cheesy as U2 can get, it would be for the best if they just release the 2004 version, since it only got worse afterwards.

But they will probably heaven-and-hell it to oblivion.

I do think Larry was right about the album being too long in the case of 13 songs. However, they have just chosen the wrong tracks to delete. As much as I am not a fan of Mercy, there were (even) worse songs on that album that should have been shafted.

I don’t think there was enough material on The Bomb to make it a great record anyway, but I do feel the Chris Thomas sessions would have produced something infinitely more interesting, based on the demos and early versions we have heard.
 
One Step Closer is probably the thing most of us could agree to axe from HTDAAB? It had a lifespan of about two spins before it just becomes a boring time waster.

I thought Crumbs was terrible, maybe the worst album track they had done to that point. A Man and a Woman is intriguing because it feels unique but it’s also out-of-step with the rest of the album. White as Snow basically had the same issue on the next album.

Original of the Species is too clunky and labored, single mix was a slight improvement.

I’d dump all four of those. Chuck in Mercy and Fast Cars. Problem solved. I’d end the record with Fast Cars-Mercy-Yahweh.
 
The iTunes thing was a we bit bigger than Spider-Man.

But yes, U2 remain popular with the olds. Under 35? A punchline. That's the problem. They should be in their respected older statesman of rock phase with that demographic. But they're not.

If you want to keep touring while old, the main problem is you eventually you run out of olds.
The "forced onto my phone" gets referenced very frequently on Twitter, and that's just what shows up in my feed. Someone talks about a PR nightmare or intrusive event and then follows it with "...like that U2 album nobody wanted". It's never going away.

I know some here think Twitter is some kind of niche community, but not for the demographic which drives a lot of the media culture.
 
If I had to drop one song it would be Yahweh.

Or, ya know, just add the songs because who gives a turkey if it's a bit over an hour. Seriously nobody would have cared.

That's fair reasoning. It was really fucking gross when HTDAAB won the Best Album Grammy and then there was that audio at the after-party where Bono is being interviewed acting like his record had impeccable sequencing and the like and he makes that horrendous comment about "hip hop hasn't yet figured out the album'...Jesus.
 

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