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I find it interesting that in their 50th anniversary year that they're skipping Record Store Day. Don't know if that means anything. Alas...

If I were in charge of coming up with the plan, this is what I would do.

  • Release all of their concert films onto Netflix in full 4K, including Rattle and Hum and From The Sky Down. Drop the JT30 film in here as well (and, if MSG allows it, U2:V)
  • Issue a career spanning box set similar to the original The Complete U2 that came out with the iPod launch. Include in that one album of unreleased tracks (if enough still exist) and one album of outtakes - released tracks in other forms.
  • Do a smattering of stadium gigs in major markets in late summer / fall in celebration of the 50th. Play the lead single off the new album, but otherwise play only hits and fan favorite deep cuts.
  • Release the new album in January of 27. Wider arena tour to follow.
  • Close 2027 with a series of JT40 gigs at Sphere. Run into early 2028 if demand is there.
  • Drop Songs of Ascent in spring of 2028.
  • Retire.
I feel like we don't agree on a lot, Headache, but for a wildest dreams plan this is pretty solid.

The first bullet could coincide with a formal announcement of when we can expect the U2 docu-series and maybe the concert film releases are on a drip schedule until then. I've heard nothing on the development front though. So, I doubt that's even close to reality yet.

I'd still rather have the album this year; but let's face it, if it drops this year it'll be Oct/Nov anyway. So, what's two more months after a nine year wait.

I'd love to see them at Sphere again, but not another JT celebration. However, I don't see how they get there again otherwise. So, that's fair.

SOA doesn't feel like a tour-able album. So, the end-capping makes sense; but I think that's just the end statement of full-band new material. You all think I'm crazy, but I still see a short run of "30 Years Elevated" (or whatever the want to call it) happening around 2030 as the final touring statement of the band; even if it comes after a period of everyone wondering if they've packed it in for good...ya know, kind of like how right now feels.

They won't tell us it's over, but I'm foreseeing statements in the vein of "never say never", "we don't want to close any doors", etc. that will give us hope but we know how long it takes them when they're actively pursuing new music. So, it'll effectively be an end.
 
I agree, Rich! I don't see a formally announced, grand statement farewell tour. Look at all the bands/artists that have had 3 + "farewell" tours. It comes across as a sick money grab if you come back after the first. And despite what some think about U2's standards being somehow compromised over the years, it's always a line I haven't seen them crossing.

I could see the chances of a big, announced farewell tour going above 5% only in the case of Larry (or someone else) saying they're retiring after one more go-around. Even then, I kind of doubt it.

I'd also be on board with any kind of back catalog touring. Run JT or AB again. Do ATYCLB or War. Even Bomb. I'd prefer just throwing together 15 of the heavy hitters with 4-6 new tracks and 3-5 fan favorites whenever they feel like it, but I'll take U2 on the road any way I can get it!

There's plenty of time to open the vaults when live shows slow down for good!
 
I only check in every once in a while, but:

- I've never seen anything to suggest that Larry's going to be out of the band any time soon. Though I can sense his frustration that he and Adam aren't equal creative partners with Bono and Edge anymore.

- I don't understand the 'songwriting' critique being attributed to Rick Rubin. The Rubin sessions were, if I recall correctly, in 2006. The 'songwriting' bullshit began with ATYCLB (mostly successfully, I might add), and continued with HTDAAB (less successfully, in my opinion).

- I think Edge's comment actually means that something's coming sooner than we'd expect. I imagine the late 2026 timeline is still mostly accurate.

- Regarding their 50th anniversary, this doesn't strike me as a band that would even appreciate something like that. A 50th anniversary means 'old' and this band has always done everything in their power to try and keep a 'young and relevant' appearance. It's sort of why the Joshua Tree 2017 tour was so surprising - it didn't seem like the type of thing they'd do.

- Regarding any 'wishlist' I have, the only thing I care about is the treasure trove of unreleased the songs the band surely has accumulated over the years. In particular, I'm really curious to hear the songs referenced in Bill Flanagan's book. Zooropa is, to my ears, the band's most underappreciated work. Simply lumping it in to the Achtung Baby remaster was a crime. It deserved its own re-release, with its own set of unreleased tunes. That period of the band was the apex for me, and I'd like as much of it as I could get.
 
I'm sure there's lots of stuff "in the vault" but the issues are...

1. Their insane level of quality control in what they deem fit for public consumption. Which I think rules out a lot of the stuff we'd love to hear as fans ever seeing the light of day

2. Edge's time to review what is in the vaults, select stuff that could be worked-up and then spend the time getting it up to scratch on his own and with the band for release.

Maybe that doesn't happen until they retire from touring and Edge can just work away on it on his own, or it never happens and they keep releasing the same bonus material and live shows until we all die or get bored of them.
 
1. Their insane level of quality control in what they deem fit for public consumption. Which I think rules out a lot of the stuff we'd love to hear as fans ever seeing the light of day
I hear that - but I wish they'd take the attitude that Metallica has. Metallica's Load remastered deluxe boxed set came with absolutely everything. For maniacs like me, hearing James and Lars painstakingly and methodically work out song structure, rework riffs, and essentially just develop the album into what it ended up being is fascinating. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but for diehards like myself, I don't mind listening to Bongolese and half baked ideas. I used to listen to the Salome tapes a lot. I wish they'd be willing to open up those vaults a little bit.

Edge's time to review what is in the vaults, select stuff that could be worked-up and then spend the time getting it up to scratch on his own and with the band for release.
That's another thing - I don't want Edge working it up and 'finishing' it. I want to hear the works as they were in 1993/1996/1999, etc.

Never gonna happen, most likely, but that's why it's a wish list.
 
i was trying to find the comments from i believe Bono where he talks about how Rick told them something along the lines of how people don't really cover U2 songs in bars because they're hard to play, but i'm drawing a blank. i know it was said. i'll find it eventually.

i did come across this quote from Larry from a 2009 Rolling Stone article, though - which I found interesting when you line it up with his comments from when the band got the Kennedy Center Honors.

Larry Mullen Jr.: We don’t always like each other but we respect each other, and we love each other. Marriages don’t last this long. Will it stop working at some time? I’m sure it will. It’s not indefinite. There will be a time where it’s like, “It’s time to go,” and I would like that time to be on a high when you’re still achieving, as opposed to on the curve down. That’ll be sad for me. I think it’ll be a more dignified time to actually go, “You know what? That’s the end of that period” and we might come back in five years time and may do something together just for old times sake ’cause we know we’ll want to. And I think that’ll be a beautiful end to a long a beautiful career.

No [I haven’t discussed this with my bandmates]. We don’t discuss a lot of things. I’m just saying what I imagine it would be like, but I don’t know. Of course it can’t go on forever. It just can’t. And if it ended tomorrow, would it be sad? Sure. But it wouldn’t be the end of the world. It helps, I imagine, that you have a family, that you have a life outside the band. As a younger man would it have felt like the end of the world? I think it would have been more difficult. But my family is obviously important, as is everybody’s in the band. It’s an important part of our life.
 
i was trying to find the comments from i believe Bono where he talks about how Rick told them something along the lines of how people don't really cover U2 songs in bars because they're hard to play, but i'm drawing a blank.
I seem to recall a similar sentiment coming from Bob Dylan, earlier in their career.

Edge talks about it in U2 By U2, on page 228, when discussing Ultraviolet (Light My Way):

"That was another song that came out of Lady With The Spinning Head. It's an epic, no doubt about that, with some gorgeous aspects, but it's quite unwieldy to play. It's never going to become a busking standard, put it like that. I once said to Bob Dylan, 'People are going to be playing your songs for thousands of years.' He said, 'Man, they're going to be listening to your songs, too. It's just no-one's going to know how to play them.' Sometimes, I might add, that includes us."

Regarding Larry's quotes - they're very interesting, and I appreciate his candor. But it's telling to me that he was saying the same things in 2009 that he was saying in 2022. The band, I imagine, has been the Bono & Edge Show feat. Adam and Larry for quite a while, and every once in a while, Larry has to spout off in public both to let his frustrations out and, also, to sort of keep Bono & Edge in check. I don't think he's going anywhere.

It's also interesting that his comments in 2009 focused on his kids. They were younger then, and I'm sure Larry was a bit more conscious of missing time with them. As an older man with fully grown, adult children, it becomes less of an issue. I see my father, who's just a few months older than Larry, and how his attitude towards his work and identity has changed as my siblings and I grew up and left home. As my mother presses him to shut down his business and retire, he's more dedicated and involved in his work. It's his identity now, what he's been doing since he was 18 - much like the guys in the band.

I think Larry just simply needed time to recover from surgery, and was likely annoyed that the band was having discussions of doing the Sphere without him. Just like he was annoyed that they started work on Pop without him some 26 years prior.

I don't really understand the concept of a band 'retiring,' to be honest with you. Unless one of them leaves and the other three decide they won't do it without him but, as the band has shown us, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. But a band like U2 has no need to retire unless one (or more) of them dies. Maybe they won't tour anymore. Maybe they'll sit on a beach in the south of France, completely uninspired, and just veg out for 4-5 years with nothing on the calendar.

But if The Edge, aged 75, wakes up one day and picks up his guitar and comes up with a cool riff or sound, and the other three are into it, I don't see why there has to be a definitive 'this is it - we're gone - goodbye!' moment. Creativity evolves, but it doesn't retire.

Metallica and Bruce Springsteen, peers of U2's of similar age groups, have specifically stated that this is their essential approach to their careers as they age. I don't see why U2 has to be any different.
 
I still like that REM bowed out when they did on their own terms and with a couple of tight, focused and pretty damn good albums.
Yet, I still long for more REM. Collapse Into Now was a really solid album, and so was Accelerate. They're not creatively bankrupt: Michael Stipe is still working on new music, so is Mike Mills, and Peter Buck has put out plenty of music since the band broke up.

I just don't see why they had to say 'okay, this band is over now.' Take some time, go pursue your other interests. Set an indefinite hiatus. But if there's a new creative idea that Michael Stipe has that he thinks some jangly guitar and excellent backing vocals would go well over, I'm not sure why he couldn't call Mills and Buck (or even Berry).

Legacy is the most overrated concept. No one says "ah, Michael Jordan would've been the best ever. Shame about that run on the Wizards. Guess that settles it," and if they do, they're idiots.

A band is more like a train. There are certain bands whose work I fell out of love with, so I got off the train. But I'm still waiting at the station and, though I haven't liked the last few projects, if they put something new out, I'll check it out and if it's good, I'm back on the train. Audiences evolve. ****, I haven't really loved a U2 album in a long time, but hope springs eternal.
 
A band is more like a train. There are certain bands whose work I fell out of love with, so I got off the train. But I'm still waiting at the station and, though I haven't liked the last few projects, if they put something new out, I'll check it out and if it's good, I'm back on the train. Audiences evolve. ****, I haven't really loved a U2 album in a long time, but hope springs eternal.
this is a great analogy. I love this and think it fits me well too
 
Is this the Rubin quote? From this article in Rolling Stone: U2: Trying to Throw Their Arms Around the World

'Rick Rubin, who produced a pile of mostly unreleased U2 songs a few years back, had a major influence on this album [Songs of Innocence], despite not actually working on it. Rubin told Bono that U2 use their skill at sculpting unique soundscapes “to disguise the fact that you don’t have a song.” He pushed them to write traditionally structured tunes that would work with, say, voice and piano. “Someone like Adele makes better records than everyone else because her songs are better,” says Bono. “In a great song, you can be as naked as a streaker singing a cappella. I’m embarrassed next to someone like Carole King, unless I can come up with something that’s as raw as some of her great songs. So that was it. Songwriting school!”'
 
Is this the Rubin quote? From this article in Rolling Stone: U2: Trying to Throw Their Arms Around the World

'Rick Rubin, who produced a pile of mostly unreleased U2 songs a few years back, had a major influence on this album [Songs of Innocence], despite not actually working on it. Rubin told Bono that U2 use their skill at sculpting unique soundscapes “to disguise the fact that you don’t have a song.” He pushed them to write traditionally structured tunes that would work with, say, voice and piano. “Someone like Adele makes better records than everyone else because her songs are better,” says Bono. “In a great song, you can be as naked as a streaker singing a cappella. I’m embarrassed next to someone like Carole King, unless I can come up with something that’s as raw as some of her great songs. So that was it. Songwriting school!”'
There it is.

The be all and end all of all their problems. I'd be interested to hear Brian Eno's opinion and why they don't listen to him.
 
I'd be interested to hear Brian Eno's opinion and why they don't listen to him.
“These ****ing guys, they’re supposed to be so spiritual – they don’t spot a miracle when it hits them in the face,” he later commented. “Nothing like that ever happened to me in the studio in my whole life.”

So Eno got his way, ‘Moment of Surrender’ was left as it was…

 
Is this the Rubin quote? From this article in Rolling Stone: U2: Trying to Throw Their Arms Around the World

'Rick Rubin, who produced a pile of mostly unreleased U2 songs a few years back, had a major influence on this album [Songs of Innocence], despite not actually working on it. Rubin told Bono that U2 use their skill at sculpting unique soundscapes “to disguise the fact that you don’t have a song.” He pushed them to write traditionally structured tunes that would work with, say, voice and piano. “Someone like Adele makes better records than everyone else because her songs are better,” says Bono. “In a great song, you can be as naked as a streaker singing a cappella. I’m embarrassed next to someone like Carole King, unless I can come up with something that’s as raw as some of her great songs. So that was it. Songwriting school!”'
That's the one. Think I combined this one and the Dylan one that John mentioned - but yea, this was the one I was looking for.

And, just, sorry Rick. No.

And I have a ton of respect for Rubin - but this is failing to see what made U2 magical in the first place (even if there may be some truth to what he's saying).

U2 were always greater than the sum of the individual parts. The landscapes very well may have been because they weren't as talented as some of their peers, but it's also what made them special and unique.
 
“These ****ing guys, they’re supposed to be so spiritual – they don’t spot a miracle when it hits them in the face,” he later commented. “Nothing like that ever happened to me in the studio in my whole life.”

So Eno got his way, ‘Moment of Surrender’ was left as it was…

And there's studio magic there, none of this Rick Rubin bullshit! U2 could paint the Mona Lisa but then put lip fillers on her to appeal to the kids.
 
I guess where I think it's different for U2 is that it feels like it's the band or nothing. For years I thought Edge was a shoe-in to get into the soundtrack game again given his approach and how much time he has between albums. I just assumed given how talented he is, we'd see more from him when they are on an extended break.

I'm sure Larry and Adam are quite happy that it's the Bono and Edge show a lot of the time. With their money and Adam's varied interests (presumably Larry has more than enough on to pass his time), at this stage in their lives, they're maybe quite happy with how they record music and the album-tour cycle.

I thought they would do something for the 50th, but maybe that something is a new album and tour. So long as they don't feel the pressure to go down the "we'll show them just how relevant we can be after 50 years"...

REM are interesting as Buck and Mills just seem to love writing and playing music and haven't stopped. I'd imagine that could be very freeing for you having been in a band for your whole life and you can just now do different things, styles of music, whatever takes your fancy.

Will Stipe ever finish his album though? I can't remember when his first single was released now but he's another one with lots of interests and all the money.
 
I just think Edge is a restless soul who is always working. SOS and re-assemble came from a lack of movement by the rest of U2 - not a lack of desire but a bunch of things like Larry’s health. We have hear every 6 months since late 2022 that the next album is ready. I don’t buy that they had spent 3.5 years refining the same tunes. I think it’s likely that their work is split into a few buckets:

- retrospective work - SOS, re-assemble
- creative work as Bono and Edge - some of this may become U2, some of it maybe not?
- U2 work - I find it hard to believe there isn’t at least two new albums worth of content. SOA and whatever this other album they refer to is. I think it’s likely that there are 3 or 4 U2-related projects at varying stages of completion. They may be albums, EPs, singles, or things that never eventuate like Rubin and RedOne sessions.

I saw an earlier comment about Edge not having time to look at unfinished things. I don’t buy that. Covid was 6 years ago. There’s been 40 Sphere shows and only recent full U2 sessions in that time. I think 2024 and 2025 was probably more U2 focussed, but I am guessing re-assemble isn’t an isolated concept. I think the will take heart in how it was received and look to other opportunities to revive unfinished works. In the last two years Edge has had plenty of time to work through the archives, and a 50th seems like a great time to release SOMETHING that honours the lost magic of things like Mercy.

If you take out the previously released or demo of other song parts of reassemble, there’s Evidence of Life, Luckiest Man, Treason, Country Mile and Happiness. ATYCLB has at least one lost track we know about (can’t remember the name right now) and there are fairly complete Rubin songs (All My Life, Thankyou). There is a record’s worth of 2000s material there. Between all these other sessions in the 2010s there’s got to be some things they haven’t carried forward.

I’m just saying that, for a 50th I think it would be on brand for U2 to nod to the past by embracing the future - release a new album, while also satisfying the die-hard with a vault-focussed retrospective release of new or under heard music.
 
New music? Bah.
Tour? Been there, done that.
Retrospective boxed set? Snooze.
A special on one of those streaming services? Nonplussed.

What the hardcore really want to know is: what terrible shirt designs will they up with for the 50th?
 
What the hardcore really want to know is: what terrible shirt designs will they up with for the 50th?
My wife recently got me this shirt as a gift. Looks like you can find it on Etsy and some random t-shirt websites. Don't love it, but it was certainly awesome of her to look for it and buy it, so sure, I'll wear it occasionally. Why not? And yeah, it's likely better than anything U2 will officially put out.

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That's a very sweet gesture, would wear it to the gym.

But yeah, U2 does not strike me as a band that will put much stock into it being their 50th anniversary. Certainly not an impetus for a tour or an album announcement.
 
Why not a photo from when they were all ~50 years old for their 50th anniversary. I can see how someone got there.
 
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