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Yeah, or....dare I say if they had completely cut the middle 3, added All My Life, Boy Falls From The Sky, and had a better lyric deliver on UC, suddenly you have a completely different album. Songs like WAS and COL suddenly don't drag because you have higher highs spread throughout the album. For example:NLOTH would work better as an old school 35 minute LP. If you're gonna verge into more experimental territory, keep the thing short. Let it exist as a standalone oddity in the catalog, with a singular identity.
I'd go..
1. NLOTH
2. Fez-BB
3. Magnificent
4. MOS
5. UC
6. Winter
7. COL
Speaking of Coldplay, I did love the album Viva La Vida, also produced by Eno, and funny enough. It had the songs. Winter and Coldplay's title track had the same concept and Coldplay just pulled it off better.I feel like the NLOTH project was doomed from the start, because it fundamentally stemmed from a place (north-African influence, and experimental ENO-esque sounds) that U2 ended up deciding they just didn't love enough. It’s the sound of the band getting out of the waters after testing them. (I always find this paraphrased remark from Steve Lillywhite very telling: just as Joshua Tree was the ‘sound of America’, and Achtung Baby was the ‘sound of Berlin’, NLOTH was supposed to be the ‘sound of Fez’, but it didn’t work out.)
It was made worse by the conflicting pressures of fulfilling their role as a stadium band (writing the ‘big music’), and trying to make something new, radical, and experimental as a deliberate departure from their OO’s back to basics approach (something eno-esque). Both felt clearly at odds with each other, and the album feels like, in trying to do both, it achieved neither. There was also a little bit of a narrative of NLOTH being an Achtung Baby-style reinvention, but even though AB was a new style for the band, the new sounds were still fundamentally radio and stadium friendly (arguably more so than JT), whereas the core inspirational sounds for NLOTH faced much more of an uphill battle to become stadium music, and evidently not a battle the album won.
I still have a lot of affection for the album because it was the first album promo/launch (and tour) I experienced as a fan, and I still admire its ambition even if I don’t think it succeeded (especially with how cynical and ‘insured’ their work with Ryan Tedder feels in comparison).
But I think the only way this album would have worked is if they’d fully committed to only one of the two directions above - either go full stadium, or full experimental. Or, like Coldplay did, release NLOTH with little fanfare - a subdued announcement, with a release quickly afterwards, a few promo shows here and there, but then get right back in the studio to work on an all new, unrelated stadium album for the following year.
It might also have worked if they’d followed a similar approach to Viva La Vida - have ENO on board to inform the ‘spirit’ of the album, and encourage some adventurous sounds, but work with a more conventional producer as well, like Markus Dravs, who’s known for helping artists evolve, but who can also encourage writing discipline to ensure the songs are there and are strong, and that the experimentation doesn’t accidentally mask any shortcomings with songwriting. Incidentally, this would be my ideal version of the next U2 album: Atmospheric/experimental Eno sounds, Irish folk influence in the melodies and instrumentation, but with an emphasis on strong, powerful hooks and choruses so it can come alive in a stadium setting.
It’s not a view I’ve heard a lot from people, and not one I’m sure I agree with - that NLOTH’s flaw is being too experimental. I think it’s too awkward and misaligned from vision to execution, but for mine the actual quantum of experimentation isn’t the interesting bit. It’s more interesting to me to understand where the deviation from the vision happened and why they chose the half-pregnant option rather than go full on or start again. If they were going to wuss out they had years of “songs” from Rubin and other sessions to rely on.Agreed, I think Viva la Vida reached a brilliant blend of experimentation, forcing Coldplay outside of the comfort zone of their first 3 albums, but ensuring each track at its heart had a good song.
For me, NLOTH went too far with the experimentation at the expense of the songs, but SoI and SoE went too far in the other direction - focusing on songwriting, but almost deliberately abandoning atmosphere, great guitar riffs, or that alchemy of the band jamming and making something ‘bigger than the sum of its parts’ - that the era almost feels like the other side of the same coin as NLOTH. They really need both.
I’m hopeful, based on recent interviews, that they’re finally getting the balance right again. Bono’s made clear that the ‘songs of’ era is over, and he’s mentioned that they have enough confidence in their songwriting craft that they want to start bringing back the band (and ‘big guitar’) sounds. The recent talk of getting into the studio as a band, jamming, and just seeing what happens (and acknowledging that this is what led to some of the great moments on HTDAAB), along with pursuing music with Brian Eno, makes me optimistic. But we’ll see.
I could have phrased my post better - it’s not that I think NLOTH itself is too experimental (I actually think it’s not experimental enough!), but rather I have this feeling that what drove the initial album sessions was experimentation and exploration (hence the Fez sessions), but in a fashion, and to an extent, and with a particularly inaccessible genre (for pop radio, at least), that meant that they seemed to lose sight of the songwriting, particularly making the ‘big music’ that they clearly still wanted to make. The core ethos struck me as ‘let’s make something weird’ first and foremost, and believing the songs would come naturally after that. But I feel like the big choruses, hooks and guitar riffs were notably lacking compared to their other albums, and I suspect the former influenced the latter.It’s not a view I’ve heard a lot from people, and not one I’m sure I agree with - that NLOTH’s flaw is being too experimental. I think it’s too awkward and misaligned from vision to execution, but for mine the actual quantum of experimentation isn’t the interesting bit. It’s more interesting to me to understand where the deviation from the vision happened and why they chose the half-pregnant option rather than go full on or start again. If they were going to wuss out they had years of “songs” from Rubin and other sessions to rely on.
I think they used experimental elements for a record that didn’t have experimental bones (or rather the other way around. It had the bones but lost the skin). You can forgive a project not having the commercial viability if it has the interest factor from a place of artistic integrity. They lost that when they second guessed the concept. The flaw was to push on with half baked versions of the concept rather than start again or just be brave and finish the job. Either would have been better.
Scrambles to work out which two of the middle three you ranked above it….I mean... I don't really care what reviewers have to say. I've never been impressed with the song. Too long, cringy lyrics, and just boring. I think it's the second worst song on the album.
That's right. You heard me.
Neither do I!I don't really care what reviewers have to say
Actually all three. I've got WAS as the worst song.Scrambles to work out which two of the middle three you ranked above it….
For me, it's not about the composition or structure, it's about them being good. The songs on Zooropa and UF were good.Sorry, but as much as I think No Line was an ultimately failed project that the band sabotaged, I don't like these repeated assertions that "the songs weren't there" or not strong enough. How many of the tracks on TUF wouldn't qualify as proper songs? At least 3 by my account. And composition/structure wasn't the be-all, end-all of Zooropa, either. I won't bring Passengers into it because of its mission as film accompaniment, but I think you get the picture.
If No Line was meant to be a left turn after 2 back-to-basics albums, I think it's totally fine for there to be tracks that are more sketched out, or those that meander. The misstep was the lack of conviction and the failure to follow through, the second guessing, the retreat to Lillywhite and the middle 3. If you remove those and stick on Soon and Winter (either version), you have an album that might still not be a classic, but at least has an internal integrity.
I still listen to it (or at least my custom version) more often than ATYCLB or either of the Songs albums.
Granted, I am a hard rock guy, but I really felt like Edge could have added more gain to the guitar during the intro/verses. Every time I hear it, I want the guitar to slap me in the face but it doesn't quite get there. POP era U2 wouldn't have been afraid to turn that shit up.Breathe is such a missed opportunity. It starts off really well and the verses are great, but the chorus is mediocre and there's just a little too much chimey Edge guitar.
I remember downloading a version of breathe that just had the rhythm guiar,one of the channels was removed.Granted, I am a hard rock guy, but I really felt like Edge could have added more gain to the guitar during the intro/verses. Every time I hear it, I want the guitar to slap me in the face but it doesn't quite get there. POP era U2 wouldn't have been afraid to turn that shit up.
Would love to hear thatI remember downloading a version of breathe that just had the rhythm guiar,one of the channels was removed.
It weirdly rocked harder just having the raw guitar,and not the "chimey" bits.
I think that was the version I did. I got so frustrated with parts of NLOTH and the mix has instruments entirely separated and placed in left and right channels, so I created three versions. One entirely left, one entirely right, and then a “hybrid mix” where I tried to build some more dynamic range into the songs by using the left and right channels differently - sometimes a verse was just left, chorus just right, final chorus both. I think I’ve lost the full left and full right ones, but a good chunk of the hybrid one is still on my phone.I remember downloading a version of breathe that just had the rhythm guiar,one of the channels was removed.
It weirdly rocked harder just having the raw guitar,and not the "chimey" bits.