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I sometimes wonder if Bono's lyric writing has changed as he's tried to fit in with the Davos set.

I'm more sympathetic to 21st century lyrics than most, and more critical of 20th century lyrics than most as well (I think a lot of it is him trying to sound fancy [wtf is a "bomb-blast lightning waltz"], as opposed to trying to sound smart). but overall, I feel like I can hear the pressure he puts on himself to say something "smart."

"Your Song" and "Hands/America" and "GooYow" are my U2 nadir. I don't count the messes on October because it doesn't seem fair. They were kids and he lost his notebook.
 
October's worst crime is that it's a bunch of loose sketches not fully formed. Which is a shame because with more work those songs would be great. But it's spontaneity, raw primal energy and sincerity is quite evident making it a worthwhile album. A far cry from the contrived saccharine MOR nonsense of Song Saved My Life, Get Out Your Own Way and Song For Someone.
 
I’d love to hear people’s nominations for The Worst of U2. Be a lot of commonality I would think, but I think we’d surface some interesting impassioned defences.

I’m throwing Red Light, Stand Up Comedy, Stranger in a Strange Land, American Soul, the Refugee, J Swallo, and Some Days are Better Than Others onto that dumpster fire.
Get those 20th c. songs off of there—pronto, Tonto.
Same with Get Out of Your Own Way. Shallow stuff no doubt but very listenable. It's more when they miss the mark on the "rawk" that it gets grating for me. SUC, American Soul, LAPOE. The Miracle is on the verge of this for me in some ways although I think it's an issue of production, with a good song underneath.
Yea GOOYOW is shallow but at least it’s ripping off two of their best songs (WOWY & BD).

The “rawk”, or rather, what they think is “rawk”, is the worst.

Yea, Miracle at least actually has a pretty solid/memorable chorus.
It’s more personal preference obviously, but i don’t like Bono’s journey from more open, drawn out, ambiguous lyrical style to his very direct and literal style now.

Now it’s 500 syllables crammed into each line and there’s no second guessing what the subject matter is about.
One of the worst things that’s happened to them artistically and it’s amazingly jarring to listen to a bunch of that, and then listen to (virtually any 20th c. U2 song but) something like “So Cruel” or AIWIY where the words are relatively few and far and great between.
[wtf is a "bomb-blast lightning waltz"]

"Your Song" and "Hands/America" and "GooYow" are my U2 nadir. I don't count the messes on October because it doesn't seem fair. They were kids and he lost his notebook.
It’s a fucking great line/image is what it is!

“Your Song Saved My Life” and “Hands That Built America” really are two of their worst. Christ I hate those.
October's worst crime is that it's a bunch of loose sketches not fully formed. Which is a shame because with more work those songs would be great. But its spontaneity, raw primal energy and sincerity is quite evident making it a worthwhile album. A far cry from the contrived saccharine MOR nonsense of Song Saved My Life, Get Out Your Own Way and Song For Someone.
Yes but a lot of those songs are pretty great. There was so little consideration of what people would think, in the best way possible. They were a pretty legitimately sui generis post-punk unit and not U2, Inc. They were still underdogs and it shows.
 
I'm a bit late to this party because I don't usually check this forum on my days off (yes, I know, what a terrible worker I am).

First, I'm glad to hear everyone who's given the album proper a listen and has had great things to say about the remaster. This has made my decision to go after the single disc. Again, far from my favorite U2 album, but it would be nice to hear from a new perspective.

Now, the Reassemble. I've listened to it twice now and did a quick ranking the second time through. I'll try to keep it brief on each track. Overall, I'm glad this exists. Not even the best track here (Happiness) is a 10/10 classic, but there are perhaps a few I'd have liked to see get finished (in the way U2 of 2004 would have) and replace some of the tracks that did make the album.

From best to worst:

Happiness - Other than the annoying "Ehhhaahhhaa" at the beginning and the "get off my lawn" shouting of "Stop Talking", I love everything about this track; especially what Edge is doing, but the chorus just totally being this flowy melodic thing out of nowhere is a moment of beauty to me and I love how he does the "Hold on" instead of taking the easy way out and repeating the chorus lyrics again. Achtung style playing near the end. Hell yes. I'd probably take a more complete version of this song over every other rocker on the actual album; which isn't saying much since there are all of 3 on there.

Batman - Yeah. It's not even a full-on U2 song, but solid instrumental and a good listen

Are You Gonna Wait/Luckiest/All Because - all tied for third place. They're all in that mix of just pretty good, but not great U2 rock songs. Wait is a fun sound, but I've revisited it less than a majority of their b-sides over the years. Luckiest is about as good as original Mercy in my mind. Don't hate it. Don't love it. It's a good U2 song. Lastly, All Because is a very interesting mix of another good, but not great U2 song. I like the double-tracking on vocals there; and it's a bit less rough to listen to than the other alt-version.

Treason - Thought I was going to love this one because weird U2 is the best U2. It's...maybe not weird enough? I don't know. It's not bad at all, but it hasn't stuck with me.

Country Mile - This song is on the cusp of being something worthwhile, but this is the breaking point for me where I wouldn't want this on the album (still better than Crumbs, Yahweh, maybe even Sometimes (yes, blasphemy I know))

Picture - It's fine. I've never liked the unfinished version better than Fast Cars. So, this doesn't really do a lot for me. Side note: For a hot minute I thought Fast Cars was going to serve as a preview of some of what was coming on the next album and well, let's just say I misunderstood.

Smile - It's okay. I like it better than I used to; which back then was not much at all. I'm not used to this era of U2 telling me not to smile. It's just kinda there.

Evidence of Life - It's appearing that I'm on an island here with putting this one at the bottom. The Casio style keyboard takes me right out of it being any kind of serious effort. Yeah, I get it. It's a demo; but if you're going to do some additional work on these tracks, why would you leave that alone? Also, yeah Edge is doing a heavier guitar thing...we need more of that, but how about if it's actually a good guitar part (see: Happiness). I oddly do find myself wishing Bono was singing this one. That would've helped, but only marginally. The highlight of this is the rhythm section and even that's nothing to write home about.
 
This is some vintage Blue Crack here: Boots versus Comedy. And the winner is ... a Draw! Lol! Now there isn't a U2 song that I hate, but there are some that are my least favorite. I like the "Let Me in the Sound" mantra in Boots and I find some of the lyrics clever in Comedy, but I have little desire to listen to those songs again. (Although, now I might just for shits.)

Speaking of vintage. The Luckiest Man in the World is vintage U2. That is a song that you are going to crank the fuck up! Old version. New Version. Who cares? The new version kicks ass, though! Are You Gonna Wait Forever kicks ass too! Love most of the "new" songs!
 
It’s a fucking great line/image is what it is!

I agree -- it's thrilling line to sing in a great song and it feels evocative ... but is it actually evocative? WTF is he talking about? The argument could be, the words aren't supposed to mean anything other than what we decide, they're just there to capture moods ... and I once thought lyrics like that, or "faced plowed like fields that once gave no resistance" were mean to be studied and unpacked, but looking back I'm not sure there's a lot of "there" there.

I enjoy it, sure. It just feels very recently declared English major, and it's mildly annoying. But a lot of 23-year-olds are annoying. And a lot of us discovered these songs when we were 23 (or younger) and it's natural to think that the things you loved when you were young are still as good as you remember them being when you first fell in love.
 
Stand Up Comedy: They built a mediocre song around a stupid self deprecating line Bono came up with thinking he was being so clever, “beware of small men…” It truly is the golden escalator of U2 songs.

The Miracle of Joey Ramone sucks as a song and was a very poor choice as a first single.

Grace is the type of song playing at the veterinarian’s office as they put your animal down. It’s an absolute meandering bore of a song.

Yahweh is just…there. Preachy shit that doesn’t really fit the band anymore.


I won’t hear anything bad about Refugee and Boots. They’re absolute bangers as the kids these days say.
 
Working with Eno on new music!!

This is possibly the best direction I could have dreamed they'd go in.

Love the idea of U2 exploring Irish folk, and I always considered Eno a member of the band, and that they're missing something fundamental when he (and Lanois) isn't there, but never thought they'd actually get together again.

They do keep adding the caveat that this is just something they're exploring, and only 'may' end up as the next album, but it's still the best place they could be in right now imo.

Infinitely better news than another Tedder album, or stripped back rock.
 
I love the Eno news. I think the Irish folk is fun for them to explore, but the Sci-Fi element is what gets me more interested because spaced-out sci-fi U2 is also some of my favorite U2 and Eno seems to be the best character to bring that out in them.

By the way, if I'm picking worst U2 (I'm not going to say least favorite, because that list contains Pride and you'll all shoot me over it because it's a well-crafted song. I'm just sick and tired of it and I'm not sure I can ever be cured):

1. The Showman - "It's good because we're making fun of ourselves!" Nope. It's a steaming pile.
2. American Soul - Soul rhymes with hole and I can think of a particular one this sounds like it came out of
3. GOOYOW - Trash lyrics & Beautiful Day-lite aside, the sound of guys pushing 60 trying to sound like delicate little flowers by going "Ahhhhhhh....Ahhhhhh" is borderline creepy to me and super cringe
4. MOS - Tedious 7 minutes or so of Bono shouting in my ear to the same groove
5. No Line - I know a girl, too. Calm down.
6. Crazy Tonight - "Guys! We have to have a song about the power of the spirit overcoming all odds.", "Don't we do that all the time these days?", "Yes, but not on THIS album!"
7. Peace on Earth - Touches the *yawn* heart
8. Wild Honey - very un-U2 in the worst way
9. Elvis Presley and America - meandering nothingness
10. Yahweh - Starts with ~14 of the most beautiful seconds of U2 bliss. After that, you can "take this song..."
11. Trip Through Your Wires - almost forgot to add this one because I sometimes forget it exists.

Of course you don't have to take my opinion seriously. This comes from someone who doesn't mind Boots and Comedy.
 
This is possibly the best direction I could have dreamed they'd go in.

Love the idea of U2 exploring Irish folk, and I always considered Eno a member of the band, and that they're missing something fundamental when he (and Lanois) isn't there, but never thought they'd actually get together again.

They do keep adding the caveat that this is just something they're exploring, and only 'may' end up as the next album, but it's still the best place they could be in right now imo.

Infinitely better news than another Tedder album, or stripped back rock.
I agree 100%. This is pretty much the only thing that interests me when it comes to possible new stuff.
 
I'm now wondering if the sci-fi Irish folk & Eno direction at least partially came from the 'I couldn't find you' intro to Zoo Station they revisited for the Sphere shows.

That song is the closest of theirs that I can think of to 'sci-fi folk', and blends in seamlessly from an instrumental/choral piece which I'd bet was created by Eno. And I imagine that was done as part of the band working with Eno to bring AB to life again for the Sphere, and perhaps testing the waters for collaborating on a future album.

(They also brought Daniel Lanois on stage to play 'One' at the last show, with Bono saying that without Danny, there'd be no Achtung Baby. I wonder if they reminded themselves of what a formidable team they all made, so are considering getting the band back together, so to speak.)
 
I'm not sure what "sci-fi Irish folk" entails. This band is notoriously terrible at describing their own music. HTDAAB is a lot of things, but I'm not sure I'd call it "punk rock made on Venus," for example.

I'm not even particularly sure U2-does-folk is what I'm looking for, but it's all dependent upon what their definition of Irish folk is and how they fit into it. Personally, I prefer the ethereal, experimental rock side of U2 that they excelled at in the 80s and 90s. That said, if Eno's involved, I'm in. That's a partnership that has a pretty good track record. It seems from Edge's interview here that this is currently being viewed as a project separate from U2, but I imagine like most of their projects it'll all meld into one thing eventually.
 
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