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sue4u2 07-24-2003 10:46 PM

Who's forgotten?
 
I can't fathom anyone has, but someone sent this to me today.
I cried, again:

https://64.177.83.63/liberty/email.htm

This, after I read about a poll in Germany that thinks the USA's government would orchestrate such a horror on it's own people.

adamswildhoney 07-24-2003 11:11 PM

:(

Dreadsox 07-24-2003 11:42 PM

First, thanks for posting this.

Second....if it is midnight where you are, view this in the morning.

If you were in NY when 9/11 happened or lost a loved one on 9/11 view it when you have time to regroup or do not view it.

I am not going to be able to sleep.

AS for Germany and one third of the people in the poll thinking that this was done to us by our own governement......The disgust I felt at that time is not easily put into words suitable for this forum.

Bonochick 07-24-2003 11:46 PM

Very haunting...I almost wasn't able to watch it all...

bayernfc 07-25-2003 12:02 AM

well it's 1:00 am and i better not watch this now!

Klaus 07-25-2003 05:16 AM

I didn't like this Flash-animation at all, the creator (experienced with media) should know the difference between a victim of a disaster and someone who sacrifices himself (or herself) to save others.
The second one definetly is a hero, the first one a victim.

Overall i'm allways against forgetting, i just strongly dissliked the style it was presented. I don't know what the relatives of the people who were photographed in "close ups" while dying think when they see their beloved are used to sell a message.

Giving too much people the honor of being a hero is unfair to real heros.

To the German poll: I'm ashamed.
Can you give me more details who did this poll? i never heared of it.

Klaus

melon 07-25-2003 05:29 AM

Hmm...is this the same animation? All I get are text quotes on an Enya sample soundtrack. From what you're all talking, there were pictures.

Melon

Klaus 07-25-2003 05:43 AM

melon:

heroes.swf from https://www.bloodofheroes.com/ (i get redirected to that animation when i open https://64.177.83.63/liberty/email.htm)

lots of textsamples at the beginning, later
we must never forget turns into red when you hear a airplane engine.. some pictures of 9/11 then a closeup of a women jumped out of the building with "this is someones daughter.."
next picture a lady with a celphone crying, subtitle "this could be you... someone you love is gone."

That is the flash-animation i am talking about.

Klaus

melon 07-25-2003 06:20 AM

I see it now...

First off, those photos were readily available in the media, so I don't see an issue with using them.

Secondly, if you don't like this, I won't show you the 9-11 tribute I made for my comic design class that semester.

But I do agree that "hero" is thrown around too much, although, in this instance, I think it is forgivable.

Melon

wolfwill23 07-25-2003 07:56 AM

I wonder what percentage of Germans believe the Holocaust happened.

FizzingWhizzbees 07-25-2003 08:09 AM

Wolfwill, what does that have to do with anything?

Klaus 07-25-2003 08:50 AM

wolfwill23:
according to the Museum of Tolerance (Simon Wiesenthal Center/LA) the most Neonazis live in the US, because of that i assume the rate of idiots who don't believe that the Holocaust happened it is lower in Germany than in the USA.
It should be verry hard to ignore this fact if you are raised in germany anyway since every schoolclass visits a KZ (Concentration Camp). But i'm sorry that i can't give you a exact number in this case.

But if you are interested in discussions about the 3. Reich or Neonazis you should start a new thread.

Klaus

bonosloveslave 07-25-2003 09:18 AM

vvvvv

pub crawler 07-25-2003 10:21 AM

Well, if I'm to take this piece seriously (and, for the sake of discussion, for a moment I will take it seriously), then........

I'd be interested in knowing who made this piece.

I'd be interested in knowing what their agenda was/is.

As it stands, I am VERY skeptical of the author's motivation.

I think most of us have the images of 9/11 imprinted in our minds. I know I do.

This piece comes off to me as quite possibly being nothing more than pro-Bush, pro-war propaganda and/or an EXTREMELY patronizing and manipulative joke.

The author must think his/her audience is stupid. Actually, I feel like a sucker for even commenting on this ridiculous piece, but what the hell, we've got to have something to talk about here in FYM.


Edited for typo.

nbcrusader 07-25-2003 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees
Wolfwill, what does that have to do with anything?
It is a fair questions to go beyond the immediate question and ponder the societal factors that would lead to such wide spread beliefs (especially by the youth of the country).

Klaus - the Neonazi and the holocaust denier are two different creatures. But you are correct - stuff for a different thread.

pub crawler 07-25-2003 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sue4u2


This, after I read about a poll in Germany that thinks the USA's government would orchestrate such a horror on it's own people.


Sue, that's a nice random thought you've thrown out there. Care to cite your sources?

nbcrusader 07-25-2003 11:27 AM

The story was covered heavily yesterday.

German Disbelief over 9/11

Quote:

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- One-third of Germans under age 30 believe the U.S. government may have sponsored the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, according to a poll.
Not such a random thought.

MissVelvetDress_75 07-25-2003 11:50 AM

:|

if there is one thing that i will never forget along with anyone who has a human soul will be 9/11. that day was horrifying for all. i personally hate seeing the images of people from the buildings and the person leaping to their death. it haunts me and makes me very sad to know there wasn't a thing for those people to do other than face certain death. :sad:

and i am sadden to see that German poll. it always amazes me how people deny many factual events. from the atrocities of wars to the lunar landing.

BVS 07-25-2003 11:52 AM

Well at one time 60% of Americans polled believed there were Iraqis on those planes. So it seems either everyone is confused, people being polled aren't that bright, or polls don't mean :censored:

kobayashi 07-25-2003 11:54 AM

september 11th, 2001 was a tragic day.

similar events have occured elsewhere.

they are all tragic and should have been prevented.

those responsible should be punished.

it really goes without saying at this point.
edited to say there is certainly no harm in remembering however.


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