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MrsSpringsteen 05-08-2020 02:12 PM

The Murder Of Ahmaud Arbery
 
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I'm sure most people have seen the video and read about this. Happened in late February in Georgia, but the father and son alleged killers weren't arrested until yesterday. Dad has connections to local law enforcement, I think he is a former police officer. And they needed the video evidence, yeah that's it. Third person who recorded it, I believe they were friends with father and son. Horrifying if they wanted it recorded. Horrifying enough that they did it.

Dad and son claim there had been a series of break ins in the neighborhood, the only recorded one this year was said to be theft of a gun from son's unlocked vehicle.

And they won't be charged with a hate crime, because such a charge doesn't even exist in Georgia.

He was 25 years old. Running down the street.

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DaveC 05-08-2020 02:34 PM

the dad used to be a cop for many years.

just imagine how many other black people he framed, hurt, abused and possibly even murdered over that time.

the way they did this so mercilessly and unhesitantly and then concocted a cover story that the local police seem to have accepted at face value leads me to believe this probably isn't the first time he's done something like this.

dazzledbylight 05-08-2020 03:26 PM

Hadn't even thought that part through, DAVEC. He probably has done a a lot of damage, or worse through his years. :sad: :angry:

Violent racism certainly isn't confined to the South, still, so horrific.

MrsSpringsteen 05-22-2020 07:58 AM

(CNN)William "Roddie" Bryan Jr., the man who recorded the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery in a neighborhood outside Brunswick, Georgia, has been arrested on suspicion of murder, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Thursday.

Bryan witnessed the deadly encounter between Travis McMichael and Arbery on February 23 from a vehicle behind a pickup that stopped in the road. Gregory McMichael, who was in the bed of the pickup during the shooting, told police that Bryan had tried to help them stop Arbery earlier, according to an incident report.

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 06:13 AM

The murder of George Floyd. I can't breathe, 2020. Sickening. Even a pandemic can't stop it.

Hewson 05-27-2020 06:18 AM

That video is truly sickening.

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hewson (Post 8334448)
That video is truly sickening.

It sure is. They claim he was resisting arrest, a surveillance video from an outdoor camera shows he wasn't. Guess some of these cops think they can claim anything and it will work.

Hewson 05-27-2020 06:54 AM

Even if he was resisting at first, there's the point in the video when he's lost consciousness, and witnesses are telling the cop "he's unresponsive" and he still is kneeling on his throat. This is a clear cut case of murder and 3 cases of accessory.

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hewson (Post 8334452)
Even if he was resisting at first, there's the point in the video when he's lost consciousness, and witnesses are telling the cop "he's unresponsive" and he still is kneeling on his throat. This is a clear cut case of murder and 3 cases of accessory.

I only saw a small portion of the video, couldn't handle watching the entire thing. They were fired, but I'm very cynical that they'll be convicted of murder and accessory. That's an insane thought to have, but considering the way these things go in this country.

Moving out of this country in the future looks better and better to me all the time.

BEAL 05-27-2020 07:31 AM

https://twitter.com/carlosgphoto/sta...700070401?s=21

Police broke up these protests with tear gas and rubber bullets.

But be part of the American Taliban and you’re allowed access to a government building

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 09:29 AM

Just forced myself to watch the entire video. Just sitting here crying, complete lack of any humanity. That bastard kept his knee on that poor man's neck right up until he was dragged on to a stretcher. And that bastard cop did drag him, tossed his body like a piece of trash. Kept his knee on that poor man's neck when he was no longer breathing and was probably already dead. The other cops who stood around allowing it are just as guilty. Gutless scum.

The police were called for the alleged crime of forgery in a store.

anitram 05-27-2020 09:33 AM

The video is horrible.

But at least having these videos might change the game...somewhat. George Floyd, that lunatic woman in Central Park - we need to all see this, much as it's hideous.

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 10:03 AM

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So much outrage about kneeling NFL players

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MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 8334463)
The video is horrible.

But at least having these videos might change the game...somewhat. George Floyd, that lunatic woman in Central Park - we need to all see this, much as it's hideous.

Yes I agree, we need to see it. I knew that if I wouldn't watch that entire video I'm part of the problem. The reality of the brutality has to be seen.

The woman in Central Park- I only saw the headlines, but she was a white woman who called the police and said that a black man wouldn't leash his dog?

Hewson 05-27-2020 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen (Post 8334466)

The woman in Central Park- I only saw the headlines, but she was a white woman who called the police and said that a black man wouldn't leash his dog?

No, she wouldn't leash her dog in an area of the park where its required and well posted. He was bird watching, asked her to leash the dog and when she refused he grabbed dog treats from his pocket to get the dog to come to him, that's when she said she would call police and tell them "an African American man is threatening my life".

His cell phone video is embedded in this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/ce...rnd/index.html

Irvine511 05-27-2020 10:48 AM

The Murder Of Ahmaud Arbery
 
As has been pointed out, many white people are well aware of and quick to take advantage of the structural racism they pretend to know nothing about. “Oh! But I don’t see color!”

Also, don’t strangle your cocker spaniel you fucking piece of trash. So glad the dog was taken away from her.

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hewson (Post 8334467)
No, she wouldn't leash her dog in an area of the park where its required and well posted. He was bird watching, asked her to leash the dog and when she refused he grabbed dog treats from his pocket to get the dog to come to him, that's when she said she would call police and tell them "an African American man is threatening my life".

His cell phone video is embedded in this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/ce...rnd/index.html

I saw the video. She was fired from her job and lost her dog.

An African American man is threatening my life! Would she have ever said a white man is threatening my life? Threatening her life?

DaveC 05-27-2020 11:21 AM

glorified hyperbole in america.

Diemen 05-27-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen (Post 8334471)
I saw the video. She was fired from her job and lost her dog.

And now she admits that this is all her fault - that she humbly accepts these consequences because of her vile, racist actions that could have endangered another man's life.

Just kidding, she's complaining that her life is being torn apart.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b2/10/f1/b...67f4afec3c.jpg

Moonlit_Angel 05-27-2020 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen (Post 8334465)
So much outrage about kneeling NFL players

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THIS. I don't want to hear anyone bitching about football players kneeling ever again.

I haven't seen the videos, but i agree that it's good to have this stuff documented and out there. Make it that much harder for these assholes' defense to stand. For all the trouble social media can cause, it's also very helpful in moments like this. These people think they're bold and tough enough to say and do all these awful things? Fine. That means they're bold and tough enough to face the consequences of their actions, too.

mikal 05-27-2020 04:51 PM

The only thing about her "life being torn apart" thing is...

...will she and others actually learn her/their lesson? I'd rather she feel "torn apart" by shame and embarrassment and not by consequence.

anitram 05-27-2020 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikal (Post 8334501)
The only thing about her "life being torn apart" thing is...

...will she and others actually learn her/their lesson? I'd rather she feel "torn apart" by shame and embarrassment and not by consequence.

In her specific case, she's almost unemployable. First of all, we're in the middle of a pandemic and it's a bad time to look for a job. Second, she is in a customer-facing industry so the willingness of any HR department to take a bet on her will be really low. Third, she's likely a relatively high income earner (though not as much as you think - people see her title and think $$$, but she's not pulling in some astronomical salary) and a high profile person now, so she'll be a problem for all public companies (shareholder action is on the rise generally, but this case is just super easy), which means that leaves her with smaller/regional banks, private equity funds, credit unions and the sort. She'll eventually land somewhere, but her career path is basically done.

DaveC 05-27-2020 05:10 PM

"head of investment solutions" very likely means she mostly works with software testers and vendors of trading/portfolio management software. she definitely doesn't do any actual banking or finance in that position. so she's not necessarily confined to the financial industry, although yeah she is 100% going to take a big income hit at her next role wherever that is.

MrsSpringsteen 05-27-2020 06:09 PM

That "officer" was kneeling on George Floyd's neck for nine minutes. It's awful enough, but he also looks like some psychopath that's enjoying what he's doing. At one point he even puts his hand in his pants pocket and leaves it there.

An alleged fake $20 bill, that's what the store called the police about. George Floyd was murdered by cops over $20. If that's not a murder by cops then I don't know what is. They can claim all they want, but the eyewitnesses and multiple videos are there.

cobl04 05-27-2020 06:17 PM

This was more than five years ago. Nothing has changed, and nothing ever will change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRCL...ature=youtu.be

anitram 05-27-2020 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8334504)
"head of investment solutions" very likely means she mostly works with software testers and vendors of trading/portfolio management software. she definitely doesn't do any actual banking or finance in that position. so she's not necessarily confined to the financial industry, although yeah she is 100% going to take a big income hit at her next role wherever that is.

Her title is dumb and misleading but she worked in insurance (on the allocations side) and has a history of prior, definitely finance-related jobs since her MBA.

mikal 05-27-2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8334504)
"head of investment solutions" very likely means she mostly works with software testers and vendors of trading/portfolio management software. she definitely doesn't do any actual banking or finance in that position. so she's not necessarily confined to the financial industry, although yeah she is 100% going to take a big income hit at her next role wherever that is.

Yeah and if she’s in a managerial role, tough to boast your Equal Opportunity Employer status. At this point, almost better to relocate to Alabama and start her own firm called Confederate Investment Solutions.

dazzledbylight 05-27-2020 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel (Post 8334499)
THIS. I don't want to hear anyone bitching about football players kneeling ever again.

I haven't seen the videos, but i agree that it's good to have this stuff documented and out there. Make it that much harder for these assholes' defense to stand. For all the trouble social media can cause, it's also very helpful in moments like this. These people think they're bold and tough enough to say and do all these awful things? Fine. That means they're bold and tough enough to face the consequences of their actions, too.

This.

Just knowing (i've seen one still from the vid) that this cop kept his knee on Mr Floyd's neck for nine minutes (??!!!) and him and his cop buddies not letting up when he says he can't breathe.....
i'll watch it tomorrow.
In fact as I slowly typed this post a 22 yr old memory started to surface and I got a bit queasy. I was remembering the dragging by car lynching by a trio of Texans in Jasper, TX of Mr. Byrd.

I've kept track a fair amount of racist assaults/murders for about around forty years, though at first you wouldn't hear much about them in the white press. I certainly heard about a few before in the '70's and the worst of the actions to the Civil Rights movement from around '65 onward. By the time I was in my tweens I learned there were racists in the North as well.

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Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8334504)
"head of investment solutions" very likely means she mostly works with software testers and vendors of trading/portfolio management software. she definitely doesn't do any actual banking or finance in that position. so she's not necessarily confined to the financial industry, although yeah she is 100% going to take a big income hit at her next role wherever that is.

Well, when you potentially threaten to possibly put an innocent black man in danger/pontential death.....
you should pay some kind of price.

He's physically ok (thank goodness) but how long will his emotional state be unsettled or worse. :sigh:

Vincent Vega 05-28-2020 01:35 AM

Amy Cooper certainly could take up acting. Maybe in the next Jon Voight production.


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How much longer do I have before my 8-year-old son grows from cute to a threat?

This is a question I constantly ask myself.

Maybe 20 years? No… that can’t be right because AhmaudArbery was an unarmed black boy killed at the age of 24 for just going on a daily jog.

Maybe 10 years? No… that can’t be right because Trayvon Martin was an unarmed black boy killed at the age of 17 for just wearing a hoodie.
https://www.allmomdoes.com/2020/05/1...t/#comment-428

MrsSpringsteen 05-29-2020 01:22 PM

Chauvin arrested for the murder of George Floyd. Charged with third degree murder and manslaughter. Charges against the others are anticipated.

dazzledbylight 05-29-2020 01:59 PM

(hadn't heard this yet)
Fucking FINALLY, they need to charge his fellow cops for just standing around doing NOTHING!.

Of course - if they'd arrested/charged by next morning, or that evening most of this other misery could have been AVOIDED !!! :gah: :sad:

Jerry Dunk 05-29-2020 02:03 PM

It is my understanding that no criminal charges have been brought against anyone in the Breonna Taylor shooting. Does the no-knock warrant essentially make it impossible, even if the warrant was served on the wrong house?

MrsSpringsteen 05-29-2020 03:08 PM

I just read that the medical examiner's report allegedly says no signs of asphyxiation in the murder of George Floyd. How is that possible?

Hewson 05-29-2020 03:24 PM

If that were the case I doubt they'd have brought charges of murder. Who knows. One of the pieces of evidence that was used according to County Attorney Freeman was a preliminary autopsy report. It had to have shown that preliminary cause of death was something officer KKK did.

dazzledbylight 05-29-2020 03:24 PM

Oh, geeeez! :ohmy: How? Why?

Maybe ? LTJ in No Ireland could give us info.
(did I get that right?)


I hope not collusion!

dazzledbylight 05-29-2020 11:49 PM

Some different video seems to show that two other cops were holding Mr Floyd down next to the one charged.

Anyway I watched part of the video. A friend of mine said - I can't watch it (she's black). I said you don't have to but it's kind of incumbent on me to bear some witness. She did discribe some of the worse of it . So I stopped before that happened. It was horrific enough in what I saw.

MrsSpringsteen 05-30-2020 01:41 PM

Yes, a video from another angle shows that the other cops were holding him down.

George Floyd's lawyer, Benjamin Crump, has hired Dr. Michael Baden to do an independent autopsy. The state of MN is trying to say that George Floyd had a heart condition and possible intoxicants that could have contributed to his death. No signs of suffocation or asphyxiation. Very suspicious to me.

dazzledbylight 05-30-2020 06:04 PM

Good for getting an independent autopsy.

Even if he had a heart condition -- that neck press to (imho) me is the contributing factor, and not visa versa!

anitram 05-30-2020 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dazzledbylight (Post 8334769)
Good for getting an independent autopsy.

Even if he had a heart condition -- that neck press to (imho) me is the contributing factor, and not visa versa!

In tort law, it doesn't matter if he had a heart condition. It wouldn't matter if he was dying of cancer and would have been dead in 24 hours anyway. You take your victim as you find them - in other words, tough luck.

I took a criminal law and evidence class and that's the extent of my understanding of criminal law (and I like it that way) so I am not sure what the implications would be if he had underlying conditions.

dazzledbylight 05-31-2020 12:43 AM

Sorry, not sure what you mean. Duh.

LJT 05-31-2020 08:28 AM

None of what I can see the cops did looked physically traumatic enough to leave behind evidence (as opposed to someone leaving bruising round someones neck). You can make someone pass out from lack of oxygen by simply pressing both carotids on either side of your neck, its why you never check a pulse on both sides of the neck at the same time as it has caused people to lose consciousness as you restrict the blood flow to the brain.

Looking at the video the officer being charged is at least having his knee on the area of the neck where Mr Floyd's carotid would be. I'm not sure how much pressure is on the other side of his neck like if that left side is being pressed hard enough against the ground, or if the ground was uneven and therefore could come in contact with his neck. Anyway coupled with heart disease, he already has a possible reduced blood flow. Outside of any underlying conditions it looks like an inherently dangerous and unsafe way to restrain anyone. From the video it looks like at least two other cops are restraining him as well and one of them looks like they are kneeling on his back, which is also going to prevent him from breathing properly, you are physically reducing the victims ability to mechanically breathe normally (again not something that would leave evidence and unlike the charged officer we don't have continuous video of that angle, but I would say the cop on his back is equally responsible for the death).

I also find it weird they would release the statement that 'any potential intoxicants would have contributed'. They are likely running tests which is normal but a more neutral statement of 'we are awaiting further test results'. It makes it look like they are trying to create a different narrative prejudging he was on something.

A second independent autopsy is wise, but I am also not that hopeful it is going to give much more info.

MrsSpringsteen 05-31-2020 12:23 PM

The same thing happened with Eric Garner's autopsy. You can't help but be suspicious, these things can be "tailored" to fit a narrative and to try to reduce charges and punishment.

dazzledbylight 05-31-2020 03:33 PM

Good (sad) point, MrsS.

Hewson 06-01-2020 01:05 PM

Interesting twist:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-...deo-nightclub/

MrsSpringsteen 06-01-2020 02:30 PM

The independent autopsy says that George Floyd died of asphyxia, and he died on the ground. Not in the hospital as the medical examiner said. It sure appeared to me that he was dead in that video, tragically.

Maybe Diemen can change the thread title to The Murders of Ahmaud Arbery and George Floyd.

MrsSpringsteen 06-01-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hewson (Post 8334873)

Yes, people are wondering if they knew each other. I read that one worked inside that place, and the other was outside.

Hewson 06-01-2020 04:29 PM

Suffolk County (MA) DA sounds almost happy about the rioting:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/45...-were-animals/

Jerry Dunk 06-01-2020 04:33 PM

https://twitter.com/Stephon_Dingle/s...61695037272070

Louisville police did not have their body cameras on, and they killed a man outside the business he owned last night.

MrsSpringsteen 06-01-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hewson (Post 8334888)
Suffolk County (MA) DA sounds almost happy about the rioting:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/45...-were-animals/

Yeah, she's not my idea of a DA and she's not helping at all. She's hurting. The violent looters are criminals, and that should be separated from the awful fact that racism exists and police are murdering African Americans. It's her job to hold all criminals accountable under the law.

Add to that an incompetent mayor, he has become a total joke. It made me want to cry, seeing that in Boston last night. Should have been prevented, and not in a Trump fashion.

Vincent Vega 06-02-2020 12:52 AM

Raed Fares has been killed and Kafranbel fallen to the regime, but Syria's civil society is holding up the legacy and continues to show that they are following what's happening in the world.

https://www.facebook.com/dawlaty.org...type=3&theater


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