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DaveC 04-20-2018 12:37 PM

US Politics VII
 
happy 4/20 everyone.

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 12:41 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.a27a577ae954

corianderstem 04-20-2018 03:06 PM

Wait, hold up - are you telling me that Trump LIES about stuff?

This changes everything!

anitram 04-20-2018 05:14 PM

He is so obsessed with the perception of his wealth it’s embarrassing. And very nouveau riche.

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 07:33 PM

Jeff Sessions threatened to resign if Trump fires Rosenstein.

In other news, Trump now more likely to fire Rosenstein.

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 8254791)
He is so obsessed with the perception of his wealth it’s embarrassing. And very nouveau riche.

I give the man this - he is the greatest con man of all time. By far.

That cat Leo DiCaprio played ain't got shit on Trump.

DaveC 04-20-2018 08:26 PM

he's probably not the greatest of all time, and definitely not "by far". this guy is at worst a pretty close second:

Quote:

General Gregor MacGregor (24 December 1786 – 4 December 1845) was a Scottish soldier, adventurer and confidence trickster who attempted from 1821 to 1837 to draw British and French investors and settlers to "Poyais", a fictional Central American territory that he claimed to rule as "Cazique". Hundreds invested their savings in supposed Poyaisian government bonds and land certificates, while about 250 emigrated to MacGregor's invented country in 1822–23 to find only an untouched jungle; more than half of them died. MacGregor's Poyais scheme has been called one of the most brazen confidence tricks in history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_MacGregor

his story is crazy, and worth a read of his wikipedia page actually listen to this 40 minute podcast instead, from one of my favourite history presenters mike duncan. he tells the story way better than wikipedia ever could: https://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/5/1/8515...7044ad23ede786 (apologies for the weird link)

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8254831)
he's probably not the greatest of all time, and definitely not "by far". this guy is at worst a pretty close second:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_MacGregor

his story is crazy, and worth a read of his wikipedia page.

I counter with a man who's parlayed a minor inheritance into billions of dollars in bank loans, of which he lost all of it, and still managed to convince people a) to give him more, and b) that he was actually successful in what he did... and was so successful at conning people into thinking he was a competent, successful billionaire businessman that he got elected the leader of the free world, in control of the world's best military and a huge nuclear arsenal.

He did this largely by making prank phone calls, using a horrible accent that is not convincing at all, to get reporters to say he was wealthy beyond belief.

DaveC 04-20-2018 08:35 PM

i will concede your point if you agree to stop calling him the leader of the free world.

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8254834)
i will concede your point if you agree to stop calling him the leader of the free world.

Deal

BVS 04-20-2018 08:43 PM

So what are everyone’s thoughts on North Korea? An actual positive emerging from this shitshow? Or a big fucking trap?

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVS (Post 8254836)
So what are everyone’s thoughts on North Korea? An actual positive emerging from this shitshow? Or a big fucking trap?

Sometimes the best defense against crazy is more crazy.

DaveC 04-20-2018 08:57 PM

i don't think it's a trap per se but i suspect kim is going along the lines of his father's tactics from 20 years ago, and hoping to make a few concessions that won't really make all that much difference in exchange for aid and lifting some of the sanctions. it'll give him some propaganda that he can spin to make it look to his people like dear leader outfoxed the americans. some of the more optimistic promises probably aren't gonna happen, like denuclearization or a formal peace treaty to end the korean war.

that, or when kim went to beijing on that weird train and met with xi in secret a little while back, xi told him to tone it the fuck down or they won't protect his regime any longer, and now kim's bugging the fuck out realizing that china doesn't necessarily have his back anymore.

either way, despite all the credit he's going to claim for it, it's not trump's doing.

Headache in a Suitcase 04-20-2018 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8254838)
i don't think it's a trap per se but i suspect kim is going along the lines of his father's tactics from 20 years ago, and hoping to make a few concessions that won't really make all that much difference in exchange for aid and lifting some of the sanctions. it'll give him some propaganda that he can spin to make it look to his people like dear leader outfoxed the americans. some of the more optimistic promises probably aren't gonna happen, like denuclearization or a formal peace treaty to end the korean war.

that, or when kim went to beijing on that weird train and met with xi in secret a little while back, xi told him to tone it the fuck down or they won't protect his regime any longer, and now kim's bugging the fuck out realizing that china doesn't necessarily have his back anymore.

either way, despite all the credit he's going to claim for it, it's not trump's doing.

So Admiral, what do you think of the potential North Korea deal?

https://media.newyorker.com/cartoons...its-a-trap.jpg

BVS 04-21-2018 10:13 AM

Trump skipping out on Barbara Bush funeral, knowing he isn’t wanted there, instead going to Mar a Lago. Will he get a full 18 holes?

Headache in a Suitcase 04-21-2018 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bvs (Post 8254905)
trump skipping out on barbara bush funeral, knowing he isn’t wanted there, instead going to mar a lago. Will he get a full 18 holes?

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Nick66 04-21-2018 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8254831)
he's probably not the greatest of all time, and definitely not "by far". this guy is at worst a pretty close second:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_MacGregor

his story is crazy, and worth a read of his wikipedia page actually listen to this 40 minute podcast instead, from one of my favourite history presenters mike duncan. he tells the story way better than wikipedia ever could: https://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/5/1/8515...7044ad23ede786 (apologies for the weird link)

Mike Duncan is awesome! His History of Rome is flat out one of the best podcasts ever.

Popmartijn 04-22-2018 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVS (Post 8254905)
Trump skipping out on Barbara Bush funeral, knowing he isn’t wanted there, instead going to Mar a Lago. Will he get a full 18 holes?

Well, I think it's customary that a sitting president does not attend a funeral of a former First Lady. So I give Trump a pass on that one.

Hewson 04-22-2018 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVS (Post 8254905)
Trump skipping out on Barbara Bush funeral, knowing he isn’t wanted there, instead going to Mar a Lago. Will he get a full 18 holes?

6 different Russian prostitutes?

bono_212 04-22-2018 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Popmartijn (Post 8255047)
Well, I think it's customary that a sitting president does not attend a funeral of a former First Lady. So I give Trump a pass on that one.

What? Why is that, of all things, a precedent?


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